District 9

[Neosutra]

You are use pure ignorance and "well we just dont know" as an excuse for obvious plot holes.

There is a huge difference between intentional questions left unanswered (like why the aliens were there, what happened to their leadership, where is their planet) and unrealistic depictions of human society, behavior, and technology.

Attempting to argue the specific reasons why things "could have been" realistic with the "fictional human scientist" when you lack the pertinent details is impossible, illogical, and unintelligent.

You have no data to back your side up, so the only thing you can do is suggest possibilities and AGREE that the holes are still there. I could say that Independance Day Virus infection the mother ship was plausible because ZOMG YOU DONT KNOW IF THE ALIENS VIRUS SOFTWARE WAS DOWN, but that doesnt mean it was any more realistic or less retarded.

You are just arguing to argue at this point. No, the representation of our society was not accurate. No, the representation of human behavior was archaic and not accurate. No, the representation of our technical knowledge and capabilities was inaccurate. Go beat off the to the movie elsewhere if you think it perfectly represented humanity and our capabilities. Get over it.

[EternityEnd]

How was the movie's representation of society inaccurate in the slightest? It was a bullseye. How was their depiction of human behavior wrong?

You haven't used one bit of "data" to back up your claims, either, buddy. You've just said "well its wrong cus I know it is okay." I'm suggesting plausible possibilities because we don't know the circumstances. Still waiting on you to single-handedly discover alien weaponry that you are biologically incapable of operating personally, and replicate it in 20 years.

Actually, scratch that. We don't even know if they had been studying the weapons for 20 years. They could have had the weapons for one year. We don't know if they confiscated the weapons in their first raid of the Mothership or not. It's possible they went in a year before the storyline and seized a hidden cache of them on the mothership. Do you know why we don't know these things? Because they were intentionally not revealed to us, because they were not relevant to the story at hand. Wikus' story.

Seriously man, your argument here is severely flawed. If you're subconsciously trying to replace [movie facts] with [God] during our debate over their existence... It isn't working out very well for you. Believe it or not, there are yet things humans don't and will likely never know. Sorry you can't be a literal know-it-all, dude.

[Neosutra]

How was the movie's representation of society inaccurate in the slightest? It was a bullseye. How was their depiction of human behavior wrong?

You haven't used one bit of "data" to back up your claims, either, buddy. You've just said "well its wrong cus I know it is okay." I'm suggesting plausible possibilities because we don't know the circumstances. Still waiting on you to single-handedly discover alien weaponry that you are biologically incapable of operating personally, and replicate it in 20 years.

Actually, scratch that. We don't even know if they had been studying the weapons for 20 years. They could have had the weapons for one year. We don't know if they confiscated the weapons in their first raid of the Mothership or not. It's possible they went in a year before the storyline and seized a hidden cache of them on the mothership. Do you know why we don't know these things? Because they were intentionally not revealed to us, because they were not relevant to the story at hand. Wikus' story.

Seriously man, your argument here is severely flawed. If you're subconsciously trying to replace [movie facts] with [God] during our debate over their existence... It isn't working out very well for you. Believe it or not, there are yet things humans don't and will likely never know. Sorry you can't be a literal know-it-all, dude.

What if, what if, what if neo!??!?! YOU JUST DONT KNOW!!! Seriously man, calm the fuck down.

As for "data" to back up my side, Ive already stated that physical items (such as a hand held weapon) are EASILY broken down for reverse engineering, if they are made of -anything- on the periodic table. This isnt fantasy land where stuff is just "magically" so advanced we cant understand it. The laws of physics dont change from planet to planet. And stop using the god of the gaps analogy (like totally neo, we just cant know!)

We can cut through their mother ship, but we cant take apart one of their weapons? We cant use spectral imaging and various Xbands to penetrate the weapons to determine their parts? We cant determine base pairs and gene sequences of something by examining it? There is NOTHING to back up your argument up.

As for the depiction of humanity, I think you are just trying to feel deep and connected. I bet you high fived your friend as you left the theater and was like "yo that was like, totally dead on man, humans would totally act that way!". No one here is denying that we CAN act that way, we are stating that we have systems and governments that control such behavior and it is unrealistic that all the governments of the world would let a new civilization of aliens be tossed into a ghetto and all of their technology lay dormant, all while a single weapons company mercilessly murders them and takes their technology.

Seriously, give me a break. There is no way you are this dumb.

[EternityEnd]

No, I think you're missing the fucking point of the movie, as I said before. It wasn't about them being aliens or their technology in the first place. You're reaching for perceived flaws just to hear yourself talk, as usual.

Someone just can't grasp that we don't, in fact, know everything; let alone everything pertaining to the movie's situation. I've given you multiple irrefutable possibilities based on what sparse information we have, you ignore them and throw out insults and pretend that humans are as omniscient as the hypothetical higher powers you so grudgingly assail.

I'm not trying to debate what existing scientific methods they could have used to disassemble the weaponry, I'm saying-- quite irrefutably, at the moment-- that there could have been circumstances preventing the usage of such methods. Get that through your skull.

[Neosutra]

There could have been EternityEnd, and nothing in our reality or that movie suggests that to be true. Get that through your thick skull. I didnt miss the point of the movie, I saw it and pointed out aspects that ruined the realism for me. How is that a hard concept? If you can take such obvious fallacies and run with them, then so be it. Im telling you what didnt work FOR ME. Jesus christ, what is your fucking problem?

And no, just because we "dont know everything about the universe", doesnt mean we dont know some things, and have a pretty solid idea of the physics of our chemical systems. The technological gaps in this movie WERE unrealistic, get the fuck over it. Why are you even arguing this?

[EternityEnd]

What do you mean "nothing in our reality suggests that to be true"? Our reality doesn't have any impact on what may be true for the movie. The movie obviously didn't take place on this earth or in this reality. MNU and Prawns haven't ever existed on this earth.

It's a movie where many things are subject to speculation and personal interpretation. If those things which you critique can be explained in any way-- which I proved they indeed could-- it means that they are not plot holes. They're meant to make us ponder the mysteries and questions the movie left us with until a sequel.

You act as if I'm the one who came into this peaceful thread guns-a-blazing.

Hint: That was you. I'm just one person refuting what you say.

[Vendog]

can we rename the thread District 9-STFU Neosutra or District 9 Neosutra Fails?

[Boyiee]

But Jeff Goldblum got Linux to interface with the alien mothership OS in less than 24 hours, how the hell couldn't we figure out how to fire an insect gun in 20 years? D:

Sorry did you call me?

[Neosutra]

We can rename it to Vendog's mother is a whore, how about that Vendog?

And Eternity, it has already been stated that we are talking about the factors that hurt the realism of the movie, so of fucking course aspects of our reality affect it, dont be fucking dense.

These events were supposed to happen on EARTH, and be a representation of us, HUMANITY, and be plausible in OUR universe. If they have plot holes that display inaccurate accounts of humanity and implausible representations of physics, it hurts the realism of the MOVIE.

Seriously, there is no way you are this dumb.

[EternityEnd]

It's a movie where many things are subject to speculation and personal interpretation. If those things which you critique can be explained in any way-- which I proved they indeed could-- it means that they are not plot holes. They're meant to make us ponder the mysteries and questions the movie left us with until a sequel.

I'm the dumb one? You're the one shitting up this thread based on speculative points in the movie.

[osode-chan]

They were South African, South Africans are not tech savvy. Plot hole filled.

Shazam.

[Octavious]

Shazam.

God Damnit, you've posted bullshit in 4 other threads today. Quit spamming to get to 10 posts and actually formulate a fucking thought to add to the discussion(arguement even). D:

More On Topic; IMHO, the ship just floating there irritated me more than the weapons. More/Less because of various things that would be required in the real world to make such a feat a possibility are kind of impossible. Again though, it wasn't a gamebreaker since I just assume their alien technology is superior to what we've accomplished. Especially since they can genetically repair/engineer things (IE: Fix the transformation).

[Neosutra]

Eternity:

I stated my problems with the film and you are arguing semantic excuses for why those problems dont matter. They are both opinions, and you are equally shitting up the thread. Move along if you have a problem with it.

This is a circular conversation at this point:

Neosutra: Unrealistic representations of human behavior and our knowledge of physics lowered the realism the movie was trying to portay (for me).

EternityEnd: No it didnt, you just dont know if some advanced aspect of the technology made us unable to understand it! And the depiction of humanity was dead on!

Neosutra: The physical laws of our universe remain constant (relatively ), regardless of what planet you are on, and thus the material sciences, xband imaging, and elemental properties suggest that we would be able to backwards engineer any of the material objects the aliens had in this movie. Also, humanity has social controls and governments to regulate these actions, thus the interpretation was off.

EternityEnd: Zomg Neo, it isnt supposed to be real! It is fiction, like, why cant you see that!?

Neosutra: Yes.. We all know it is fiction, we are discussing the realism the film was trying to portray and how it did it well and poorly. Thus, the poor representations of human social behavior and technical abilities lowered the realism of the movie for me..

EternityEnd: No it didnt, you just dont know if some advanced aspect of the technology made us unable to understand it! And the depiction of humanity was dead on!

etc etc.

[Kibble]

The depiction of humanity was dead on because what MNU was doing to the aliens is exactly what the South African government was doing to blacks during apartheid. You don't watch Schindler's List and say, "THAT STUFF DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE REAL PEOPLE AREN'T LIKE THAT! IT KILLED THE REALISM FOR ME!"

Well, you probably do.

[Neosutra]

Yes, and we would allow the same atrocities to happen today, to an alien species? No.

Well, you probably think it would.

[EternityEnd]

Seriously Neo, you must lead a dull life if you can't appreciate works of fiction without screaming "but no really that could never happen in this world lol hurr i cant watch this."

I like how you project yourself as reasonable in your depiction of this thread, by the way.. You've argued with like 5 people now over this, and no one is agreeing with you.

[EternityEnd]

Neo, we let the same atrocities occur to our own fucking species, daily. What makes you think we wouldn't subject weird, ugly aliens to the same horror?

[osode-chan]

God Damnit, you've posted bullshit in 4 other threads today. Quit spamming to get to 10 posts and actually formulate a fucking thought to add to the discussion(arguement even). D:

More On Topic; IMHO, the ship just floating there irritated me more than the weapons. More/Less because of various things that would be required in the real world to make such a feat a possibility are kind of impossible. Again though, it wasn't a gamebreaker since I just assume their alien technology is superior to what we've accomplished. Especially since they can genetically repair/engineer things (IE: Fix the transformation).

Arrr, you got me. (Although my post on the lack of drama on Leviathan is valid.)

As to what you said, it wouldn't be too wildly improbable. Just because humans can barely engineer hovercraft doesn't mean the aliens can't. Although, when you think about it, their weapons weren't really that awesome. Compressed air blasts? A gun that shoots high-voltage electricity? What interests me more is the total lack of kickback on the weapons. That seems vastly more interesting.

I'm still a bit confused about the actual infection. How can breathing in concentrated alien fuel ACTIVELY genetically modify you so that your body starts transforming? Usually when genetic modification is done on a non-embryo stage organism, the additional genes are rejected. This is like saying, if I eat this meat, I will become as fast as the rabbit from whence it came.

OH WAIT THE MOVIE DID SAY THAT LOL.

Yes, and we would allow the same atrocities to happen today, to an alien species? No.

Sadly it happens all the time today. :/

[Neosutra]

Seriously Neo, you must lead a dull life if you can't appreciate works of fiction without screaming "but no really that could never happen in this world lol hurr i cant watch this."

I like how you project yourself as reasonable in your depiction of this thread, by the way.. You've argued with like 5 people now over this, and no one is agreeing with you.

Really, im the only one that thought that was unrealistic?

More On Topic; IMHO, the ship just floating there irritated me more than the weapons. More/Less because of various things that would be required in the real world to make such a feat a possibility are kind of impossible. Again though, it wasn't a gamebreaker since I just assume their alien technology is superior to what we've accomplished. Especially since they can genetically repair/engineer things (IE: Fix the transformation).

So 1,799,997 of the 1.8 million aliens got addicted to cat-food and harbored no ill will to the human race for introducing and enabling what essentially are drugs to drug-addicts of their imprisoned people? Gotcha. Seemed more like a weak plot device to me.

But Jeff Goldblum got Linux to interface with the alien mothership OS in less than 24 hours, how the hell couldn't we figure out how to fire an insect gun in 20 years? D:

Don't really care about the whole reverse-engineering bit though it did irk me. I thought the bigger plot hole was why the aliens didn't own the shit out of MNU, seeing as it only took 1 and a half of them to wreak havoc.

Straw man some more please.

And yes, continue going back to "lol it is fiction neo, it isnt supposed to be real". Seriously, get it through your thick skull: WE ARE DISCUSSING WHAT FACTORS LOWERED THE REALISM OF THE MOVIE FOR US. Maybe caps will help it sync in, because plain english isnt working for you.

And no, we wouldnt treat an alien species the same way we treat ourselves. No we wouldnt allow a private contractor to take their weaponry and murder them on live camera. No, we wouldnt allow a mothership to hover there and not have THOUSANDS of scientists taking it apart. I refuse to beleive you are this stupid.

[Kibble]

And no, we wouldnt treat an alien species the same way we treat ourselves. No we wouldnt allow a private contractor to take their weaponry and murder them on live camera.

You're right, we wouldn't allow a private contractor to take their weaponry and murder them on live camera. We would have a coalition of the world's armies to take their weaponry and murder them on live camera.