The Koran -- Serious business.

[Plow]

edit: And Plow, Ill cut it off with "shut the fuck up with the same bullshit you posted in the last thread" and have it apply to both of us. Not one of your points wasnt echoed 100 times in the last shit fest (and thrown back in your face).

I'll take that as the same as "I'll post facts tomorrow" followed by "no I don't want to post facts I'm leaving this thread" followed by 10 more posts in the next day.

And I'll be waiting for the next time you attempt to "score a point against me" in a couple hours.

[Neosutra]

I'll take that as the same as "I'll post facts tomorrow" followed by "no I don't want to post facts I'm leaving this thread" followed by 10 more posts in the next day.

And I'll be waiting for the next time you attempt to "score a point against me" in a couple hours.

What are you even talking about you babbling moron?

[Neosutra]

Still seeing god in particle formations?

What about in a mother's smile?

I seem to have misplaced my god, can you give me a loose definition of one that I can follow?

[Elvis]

Which country is "our country"? Assuming you are also in the US: What would you consider regular violence? Beating of gays, abortion clinic bombings, KKK, etc?

And I am more concerned with the massive political pressure from right wing groups to curve scientific research in this coungry (stem cell research, evolution, big bang cosmology). Are you really oblivious to the VERY active efforts of such organizations as the "discovery institute" and other quack areas? Does it not offend you that our schools have to go to court to determine wether they have to teach god in the classroom right next to evolution? Does it not offend you that breakthroughs in medicine/physics are limited by funding being cut by religious conservatives?

We dont have as many religious terrorist in this country, but they religious right do just as much harm via influencing policy and lobbying against progress that scares them.

Neo, I am American. I was born in OHIO. I was RAISED here. I went to school here. I STILL live here. I live here right now as I'm typing to you.

I have said this already a few pages back. Can't you read? Did you misunderstand? I was very clear.

And the rest of the stuff you wrote is exactly my point. You constantly straw man to make your argument.

You apply unrealistic standards to this debate. And you conflate the opposition with the extremists. You conflate religious people who do not blow up abortion clinics with extremism.

Yea, Neo - what about all that stuff you wrote? It's pretty horrible. But the point you keep reiterating here is that it's ALL RELIGION and ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE - you do not leave room for the religious people who do not approve of the behavior of extremists.

And where did you get that I was oblivious to the blah blah blah you wrote in your post? I don't approve of that stuff.

But I don't blame ALL RELIGION and ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. I blame the people doing those things who are a certain KIND of religious 'people'.

This is fucking stupid.

[Plow]

And I'll be waiting for the next time you attempt to "score a point against me" in 7 minutes.

So, like I said, you don't actually want to discuss anything reasonably, you just want to fling insults. Have fun with that.

[thomassmith]

Need more topics about religion so endless bickering with no resolutions.

[Plow]

Neo, I am American. I have said this already a few pages back. Can't you read? Did you misunderstand? I was very clear.

And the rest of the stuff you wrote is exactly my point. You constantly straw man to make your argument.

You're making an incorrect assumption-- that neo actually reads what he's arguing against.

[zoobernut]

Seriously Plow and Neo you guys should just duke it out in a catch all religion thread JUST for you two. No one else can post there and you two are not allowed to post in any other religion based thread. I would say take it to PM's but that might be entertaining to watch.

[thomassmith]

Zoob hit the nail on the head.

[Plow]

Seriously Plow and Neo you guys should just duke it out in a catch all religion thread JUST for you two. No one else can post there and you two are not allowed to post in any other religion based thread. I would say take it to PM's but that might be entertaining to watch.

Sorry, I try to come in with a reasonable point, and he can't stand someone that disagrees with him being correct in any way, shape, or form, so he just fires his monkey poo gun.

[thomassmith]

Must be all that military brainwashing.

[Stiker]

I love how monkey poo guns have now made an appearance in this thread. Anyways, carry on.

[Neosutra]

Neo, I am American. I was born in OHIO. I was RAISED here. I went to school here. I STILL live here. I live here right now as I'm typing to you.

I have said this already a few pages back. Can't you read? Did you misunderstand? I was very clear.

And the rest of the stuff you wrote is exactly my point. You constantly straw man to make your argument.

You apply unrealistic standards to this debate. And you conflate the opposition with the extremists. You conflate religious people who do not blow up abortion clinics with extremism.

Yea, Neo - what about all that stuff you wrote? It's pretty horrible. But the point you keep reiterating here is that it's ALL RELIGION and ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE - you do not leave room for the religious people who do not approve of the behavior of extremists.

And where did you get that I was oblivious to the blah blah blah you wrote in your post? I don't approve of that stuff.

But I don't blame ALL RELIGION and ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. I blame the people doing those things who are a certain KIND of religious 'people'.

This is fucking stupid.

You don't have to spend half your points arguing that I am straw manning. Instead, point out where I am straw manning and counter the evidence.

I never called all religious people extremist. I stated specifically that the moderates are just as dangerous and that I feel the people that influence policy and political force are MORE dangerous then idiots that bomb clinics.

As for the born in america post, yes I missed it. Did it REALLY offend you that much that I asked what country you were from so I could understand where you are coming from?

And relax, you are getting upset over semantics, and misunderstanding what I am saying to justify your own frustration. I DO NOT THINK ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE EXTREMIST. I do think that any amount of religion is bad for a society and even the moderates negatively influence their society (in a larger way than the extremist).

And yes Plow, what was your reasonable point? I must of missed it between the mass of bullshit.

[Erza]

YouTube - An Atheist Meets God

brilliant haha.

[thomassmith]

I think God himself would find this thread stupid.

[Neosutra]

I think God himself would find this thread stupid.

Herself.

[thomassmith]

If God is a woman that would explain why the world is so fucked up.

[Neosutra]

Exactly.

[Plow]

YouTube - An Atheist Meets God

brilliant haha.

wow this is brilliant on so many levels

[Elvis]

You don't have to spend half your points arguing that I am straw manning. Instead, point out where I am straw manning and counter the evidence.

I never called all religious people extremist. I stated specifically that the moderates are just as dangerous and that I feel the people that influence policy and political force are MORE dangerous then idiots that bomb clinics.

As for the born in america post, yes I missed it. Did it REALLY offend you that much that I asked what country you were from so I could understand where you are coming from?

And relax, you are getting upset over semantics, and misunderstanding what I am saying to justify your own frustration. I DO NOT THINK ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE EXTREMIST. I do think that any amount of religion is bad for a society and even the moderates negatively influence their society (in a larger way than the extremist).

And yes Plow, what was your reasonable point? I must of missed it between the mass of bullshit.

Neo, assuming you're being sincere - why did you have to ASK me whether I was an American?

That's what I'm upset about. Not that you consistently miss my posts even though I've been replying to you for the past couple of pages.

And you are straw manning to make your arguments.

I'm not going to 'counter' your factual observations (about the significance of the Religious Right in the US for example or that Islamic terrorism exists) - because I happen to agree with them. I have focused on your ASSERTIONS.

And those assertions are evidenced by the inanely idiotic thread you made after I spoke of 'moderate' Muslims.

You then proceeded to make a thread about police doing whatever to whoever because of Islam and said 'where are the moderates!?' or something to that effect.

So that's moderate to you I assume?

This is JUST what people were saying about Kuya.

He made a thread with a loaded title and a loaded opening statement.

A lot of truth but how he presented it was propagandistic.

This is not semantics. Look up what that word means. (<- this is semantics now)

This is about your rhetoric. How you're presenting your argument. Because within your argument you list bad things religion does - but then you compare a Muslim to an alcoholic AFTER I ask - rhetorically - whether a Muslim is a Muslim if he denounces terrorism.