Audit the Fed (house bill)

[Sirrus_Asura]

you're even more retarded than I thought

Lol. You're right, I'll never fit in with the cool kids. Wo Is me.

[guartz]

Just wondering if you or any libertarian really can provide an example of a libertarian values inspired government that works/ed or any example of one ever existing. I really can't think of one maybe you know. Been having a discussion about it at work.

Spoken like a person who truly has no idea what libertarianism is.

Libertarians are about individualism, that is, personal liberty. It's a novel concept, as far as politika goes, maybe 50 years ago. It's derived from classical liberalism, which was conceptualized by United States of America.

[Beckwin]

the personal liberty to fuck other people over

[Rhinox]

Spoken like a person who truly has no idea what libertarianism is.

Libertarians are about individualism, that is, personal liberty. It's a novel concept, as far as politika goes, maybe 50 years ago. It's derived from classical liberalism, which was conceptualized by United States of America.

I didn't ask for the wiki definition of Libertarianism I ask a specific question. Again since you didn't answer it. Is there currently a government lead by the principles of Libertarianism. That is, is there a government anywhere in the world that puts "personal liberty" above all else. If not why do you think that is? I mean even Socialism was able to get a world power to follow its Ideals within 60+ years.

Btw while the current form of Libertarianism was defined 60 some odd years ago. It been around long before that. even longer then socialism.

[Kuya]

Any liberal who has not read my thread and therefore does not agree with guartz should go back and read my thread and then you'll agree with guartz. Otherwise, you're are woefully ignorant.

[Sirrus_Asura]

I didn't ask for the wiki definition of Libertarianism I ask a specific question. Again since you didn't answer it. Is there currently a government lead by the principles of Libertarianism. That is, is there a government anywhere in the world that puts "personal liberty" above all else. If not why do you think that is? I mean even Socialism was able to get a world power to follow its Ideals within 60+ years.

Btw while the current form of Libertarianism was defined 60 some odd years ago. It been around long before that. even longer then socialism.

Amsterdam

[Rhinox]

Did you seriously cite the Netherlands as a libertarian haven? You realize they have universal healthcare and the income tax for rich people is 52%?

[Rhinox]

Where do I sign up?

[Darus Grey]

Did you seriously cite the Netherlands as a libertarian haven? You realize they have universal healthcare and the income tax for rich people is 52%?

Neither of which is actually counter-productive to Libertarianism.

You're confusing Liberity with Neo-Anarchism.

[Rhinox]

Neither of which is actually counter-productive to Libertarianism.

You're confusing Liberity with Neo-Anarchism.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the whole schpeil(sp) of Libertarians as defined by the current libertarian party is they want less government and less to no taxes?

[Rhinox]

2.4 Government Finance and Spending
All persons are entitled to keep the fruits of their labor. We call for the repeal of the income tax, the abolishment of the Internal Revenue Service and all federal programs and services not required under the U.S. Constitution. We oppose any legal requirements forcing employers to serve as tax collectors. Government should not incur debt, which burdens future generations without their consent. We support the passage of a "Balanced Budget Amendment" to the U.S. Constitution, provided that the budget is balanced exclusively by cutting expenditures, and not by raising taxes.

from their own charter.

Platform | Libertarian Party

[Kuya]

Perhaps they are simply more pragmatic.

[guartz]

I didn't ask for the wiki definition of Libertarianism I ask a specific question. Again since you didn't answer it. Is there currently a government lead by the principles of Libertarianism. That is, is there a government anywhere in the world that puts "personal liberty" above all else.

It's like asking if there is a gun that shoots happiness.

Can't have a 'government' with libertarian principles. Just impossible.

[Rhinox]

then tell me. Why do they run for office every goddamn election.

[guartz]

then tell me. Why do they run for office every goddamn election.

to strip down the government to it's core. Basically an army and maybe some clerks. Or as close to it as possible.

[Rhinox]

ok now I'm confused. What is the difference between a Libertarian and a Anarchist?

[Moridam]

anarchism entirely rejects the idea of states/governments

[guartz]

ok now I'm confused. What is the difference between a Libertarian and a Anarchist?

Anarchists call libertarians Minarchists in denial.

Minarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Eaglestrike]

ok now I'm confused. What is the difference between a Libertarian and a Anarchist?

Libertarians still support a police force? I don't know exactly what an anarchist would want aside from the basic definition of the word.