FFXI Races in FFXIV pictures New

[Seph]

wow devs decided to go with a more artistic sytle for the game rather than try to push for the best graphics possible. Good games don't always need the best possible graphics to be good but you seem pretty hung up on graphics so I doubt you'll ever understand that.

Also, speaking of who's getting any sleep you claimed you hadn't slept for 2 days a while back as an excuse for your lack of grammar and I'm still not seeing you improve on that aspect. So what does that make the count now? 4 days without sleep or is there some other excuse now?

Artistic? .... .I'm okay with "weak" graphic but wow is ugly zero artistic in there as what BRP said , it seems as if their artistic skills were from retard 10 years old kid,

Why are you so interested in my personal life creepy stalker shooo and
http://i31.tinypic.com/2hxc0t4.jpg

I thought the guy was Spanish or something?

I'm not , but they are very nice people in FF11 expect that most of the time they suck in pts lol

[Jaybar]

I thought the guy was Spanish or something?

[Priran]

I laughed at Conan and WAR.

The huge drop in WoW makes more sense if it's attributable to it being banned in China, I can't imagine WoW kiddies leaving that game because it outcasualed itself.

[Kilhart]

Truth be told, the scenery is better looking than the characters. Though it's just not a very appealing style in a lot of ways.

I agree in that the scenery looks pretty good, but the characters are enough for me to make the game ugly as a whole.

[Milkster]

Artistic? .... .I'm okay with "weak" graphic but wow is ugly zero artistic in there as what BRP said , it seems as if their artistic skills were from retard 10 years old kid,

Why are you so interested in my personal life creepy stalker shooo and




I'm not , but they are very nice people in FF11 expect that most of the time they suck in pts lol

Really now? Your post have about the same quality.

[Seph]

Really now? Your post have about the same quality.

I didn't say that dumbass.

BRP did http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/79514...ml#post2984792

WoW defenders are as ugly as their game.

[BRP]

Are we bringing up subscription numbers now? I imagine if FFXI was ever officially released in Korean/China/etc it would have easily broken 1 mil. Maybe more, but it would have also been pretty unplayable without servers splitting Japan/US from mainland Asia.

[Seph]

I thought Chinese players only buy/sell gil, there is legit Chinese players? i mean if there were why would they always get banned etc unless the real ones are in the minority

[Milkster]

Really now? Your post have about the same quality.

I thought Chinese players only buy/sell gil, there is legit Chinese players? i mean if there were why would they always get banned etc unless the real ones are in the minority

I refer back to this and also the same logic/thinking.

[BRP]

I thought Chinese players only buy/sell gil, there is legit Chinese players? i mean if there were why would they always get banned etc unless the real ones are in the minority

There are and once a lot of them got banned because they shared an (JP) address as SE was blanket banning anyone who might be RMT because of such a reason.

[Seph]

I refer back to this and also the same logic/thinking.

I'm sure companies did their market research and they believe most Chinese players are RMT so they banned them, i'll take their words over your words dumbass.

It's seems BRP is untouchable in here he said more than what i said and nobody dare to say anything about him, but they think it's cool to play tough on the new guy in here, i eat retards like you for breakfast so keep coming idiots.

[Milkster]

I'm sure companies did their market research and they believe most Chinese players are RMT so they banned them, i'll take their words over your words dumbass.

It's seems BRP is untouchable in here he said more than what i said and nobody dare to say anything about him, but they think it's cool to play tough on the new guy in here, i eat retards like you for breakfast so keep coming idiots.

Cool story, bro. Ethuggin is also coolz.

[BRP]

Oh I am very touchable, come touch me.

[Dein]

Artistic? .... .I'm okay with "weak" graphic but wow is ugly zero artistic in there as what BRP said , it seems as if their artistic skills were from retard 10 years old kid,

Why are you so interested in my personal life creepy stalker shooo

Just pointing out that if you're going to try and tell me to "get a life and stop losing sleep" that between the two of us you've already shown you have no room to talk. You should also drop the "get a life" card as it's pretty weak in the first place if you really think it does anything.

As for the "artistic" style, I wasn't quite saying that like the game is a work of art but that it's pretty obvious that the character designs weren't intended to be as realistic as possible. Doesn't matter in the end though, as the whole argument is pretty pointless. The main reason I've been going after you Seph is because you just don't let things go and seem to have a misplaced feeling of superiority in your arguments. The WoW argument (which you started going after me even though I only said you were being biased towards FFVII) is a big example of why people are going after you. I've been saying it indirectly so I'll say it flat out: stop posting. All you manage to do with your weak insults and rabid arguments is annoy everyone and put yourself on the receiving end of a lot of attacks. I think though I'm just wasting my time writing this all out so you're effectively trolling your own thread by continuing to go on like you have been.

P.S. Lol at the blanket remark about Chinese players.

[Seph]

As for the "artistic" style, I wasn't quite saying that like the game is a work of art but that it's pretty obvious that the character designs weren't intended to be as realistic as possible

There are many unrealistic games that doesn't look "ugly" stop making an excuses for the fugly game.

You starting to come as pathetic now.

[Jaybar]

I have completed my SUPER SLEUTH POWERS sleuthing about this thread. Here are the results. I stopped at around page 32 because I didn't need any more evidence afterward.

Spoiler'd for long. There is no TL;DR, they are all facts.

Spoiler: show

Ok, using my SUPER SLEUTH POWERS (SSP), I have found the reason why this thread has derailed into retarded banter.

Kilhart:

God WoW characters are so fucking ugly

Note that Kilhart does not like the way WoW looks. This was seconded by Averrinicus. Thirded by Omniyoji. Seph complains about how they look, thus creating a concrete foundation on how WoW looks like shit. At this point the opinions should have ceased. Mistress agrees with Seph. Aksannyi likes purple hair and decided to stick with WoW. Nowhere in Aksannyi's post says anything about liking WoW models.

WoW bashing secedes, but questions arise:

Seph:

Why did they not add more races is something that puzzle me
Maybe they plan to add more over the years Expansions maybe, did not WoW do that?

This is the first time WoW is introduced to compare to FFXIV. Other comments were in regards to FFXI.

Here is how it spun out of control for no reason:

Kilhart:

Oh my bad. Blood Elves/Draenei look good. All the other races in WoW are fucking ugly, though.

Note that he was not saying all of WoW looked good, but that with an expansion the races got better.

Now, the first time a WoW picture came into play was:

Seph:

I'm afraid that you have seen the art/CG/fan arts with google
I thought they looked good at the start, till i found the ingame models
http://i26.tinypic.com/2dl9qu9.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1861/hi2ucr2.jpg

Note here that even Seph found the original character models looked good (but from CG point of view) yet thought they looked ugly. This statement was to correct the previous statement by Kilhart that the new races looked good.

Also note that I did not include the other four images used because they were redundant and did not add context to the post.

Silverbreeze decides to compare FFXI screenshots to WoW screenshots and declare how these pictures can look deceiving and vice versa. Debacle about how screenshots are compressed and taken at low specs which distort the way the game actually looks. This further solidfies that screenshots are deceiving and is not adding to the context of the opinion debate.

Note, that in two pages there has not been ONE positive comment about WoW, and there have been negative comments from more than ten users actively posting in the thread.

High Res screenshots of FFXI are posted in thread. They look beautiful. God I hate people with great computers...err ehem, back to SSPing.

For some reason Seph thinks he is being attacked or someone is doubting him, so he decides to post (cleaned up):

Seph:

The screenshots that I did post were not to show how bad/good WoW is, graphic wise. These were the results I got from google about that race we were talking about (Blood Elves/Draeni), and believe it or not they were the best looking screenshots.

Nothing of value was posted. There was no need for this post. Looking at the data from a couple pages, there needed no clarification of the subject matter on how CG art looks different than in-game graphics.

The worst part about this post is that Seph decided to include shitty UI screenshots of WoW and compare those to FFXI. Also: SHADOW FUCKING MANTLE!!!

Further posts pick on how shitty of a UI the WoW players were using.

Silverbreeze retorts with a screenshot that has a very minimal UI for raiding in WoW. This has nothing to do with how shitty WoW is, but that some people decide to use shitty UIs.

Silverbreeze also retorts with an equally shitty/clustered FFXI screenshot. Note that the situation only happens in one area at one certain time. The image was just to show that FFXI CAN get clustered as much as WoW can.

Note also that up until now there have been no positive comments about WoW.

Silverbreeze enjoying new raid content (has to do with gameplay and not graphics) is the first sign of positivity for WoW. Also adds her opinion on why she likes the cartoony effects of WoW.

Seph decides that Silverbreeze is ridiculing him on his screenshots so decides to throw in his own comments.

Seph:

lol insecure wow fans we are talking about game design not freaking graphic maybe you should go back to where you came from ;p

Note that this entire time we were talking about graphics, even Seph had said so in his last quote (broken down below). Now we are talking about game design? I'm sorry but Seph, YOU are the reason this has gotten out of hand.

The screenshots that I did post were not to show how bad/good WoW is graphic wise. These were the results I got from google about that race we were talking about (Blood Elves/Draeni), and believe it or not they were the best looking screenshots.

The two sentences, along with what Seph had said earlier contradict each other. Seph wanted to prove that the CG art looked better than the in-game graphics, so he posted the results (twice). The first time was with shitty settings and the second he tried to pound the idea into the ground with "best looking" graphics.

Seph:

You can say that FFXI is a bad game and wow is the best game ever but we are not talking about this here are we? take your insecurity somewhere else cause you make us laugh here lol seriously i posted a screenshot to show freaking BLOOD ELF and people started dying or something we are talking about game design for the million time not the graphic

No one was saying FFXI sucked (Silverbreeze made the comment about camping the same thing for 5 years and how WoW has new content every so often) or WoW was superior. YOU instigated that. There was no hint of insecurity at all in Silverbreeze's comments. I know this because I have an education and understand social interactions both written and spoken. The only person "dying" was Silverbreeze, and I put that in quotes because the only thing she commented on was the UI screenshot that you DID NOT need to post, you even said it yourself. You included more than the Blood Elf picture.

Seph:

lol i dunno why people turned this into gameplay and which game is better etc
nobody even mentioned any of these including the graphic.

so when we talk about a subject stick to it please, we were talking about game design talk about that nothing else
i prefer FFXIV to use FF11 UI instead of cloning wow which many games does lately.

You should take your own advice. The reason gameplay became an issue was because you added a useless image that included a clustered UI. Rowe and Silverbreeze commented on it and how they vary greatly from player to player. Silverbreeze then gave her opinion on WoW.

We had been talking about graphics from the very beginning, then you say we aren't, now you say we are. Note that this is all in one page. No one was even talking about game play of WoW until you thought it got brought up (which it never did).

Silverbreeze later tries to explain her post without getting offensive.

Silverbreeze:

I quit FFXI for it's flaws and I won't be playing WoW much longer because of its

SURE SOUNDS LIKE SHE LOVES WOW. Note, Silverbreeze enjoys Triangle Feet.

Seph goes on to believe that he posted the best screenshots of WoW (perhaps after looking at the first two pages of Google). This argument is highly unsound for lack of variety/information.

Setsuko firmly plants the argument into the ground with a cast-iron stake and 12lb sledge by posting a WoW raid with a UI that 98% of WoW players use.

Spoiler: show

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...g?t=1249879732

This answers all of Seph's complaints on why Silverbreeze's screenshots should be nullified for comparison's sake.

However, since the players look like ants then the screenshot proves nothing. Apparently nothing can appease Seph. Most of the rest of the post has been repeated talking points by Seph. No value posted.

Setsuko drops the word troll on Seph. First time used in the investigation.

Seph:

The trolls are wow fans who jump in FF Thread and start telling us what to like and what not to like , and how FF11 suck and everyone drop FF11 and join WoW.

None of this happened. If you think it did, look through pages 30 and 31. The term troll has now been solidified in Seph's vocabulary. Everything said about WoW has been an opinion and never opressed FFXI people because guess what, everyone that still posts outside of the WoW subforums still plays or has some sliver of fondness for FFXI.

Seph:

People complaining how SE were lazy recreating same races again in FFXIV from FF11,then it turned into if it's not broken why fix it? FFXI races looked really good compared to any other games specially wow with it's ugly races and it turned into how every new MMORPG trying to clone wow now days but FF users actually happy with "FF" and they don't want a wow clone they want enhanced FF, a wow screenshot with the UI-races posted and hell was set lose , people bitching "WoW fans who got a thing for night elf" how these wow screenshots were not 1920x1080p and lack 8xAA plus it was taken at bad angle etc when that was not the point. and starting saying how lol FF11 suck and wow>all.

If you have read up until now you will find that this comment is false. I don't need to explain.

Akiyama tries to simmer the fire that is starting to rage.

[Cerealkiller_Hades]

There are many unrealistic games that doesn't look "ugly" stop making an excuses for the fugly game.

You starting to come as pathetic now.

I love you.
I dont post much, but you remind me of Starr, i thought he was banned but you must in fact be him, or at least a clone, welcome good sir, welcome.

Also, lets make more shit up for fun we can be like fox news!

[Aksannyi]

I have completed my SUPER SLEUTH POWERS sleuthing about this thread. Here are the results. I stopped at around page 32 because I didn't need any more evidence afterward.

Spoiler'd for long. There is no TL;DR, they are all facts.

Spoiler: show

Ok, using my SUPER SLEUTH POWERS (SSP), I have found the reason why this thread has derailed into retarded banter.



Note that Kilhart does not like the way WoW looks. This was seconded by Averrinicus. Thirded by Omniyoji. Seph complains about how they look, thus creating a concrete foundation on how WoW looks like shit. At this point the opinions should have ceased. Mistress agrees with Seph. Aksannyi likes purple hair and decided to stick with WoW. Nowhere in Aksannyi's post says anything about liking WoW models.

WoW bashing secedes, but questions arise:



This is the first time WoW is introduced to compare to FFXIV. Other comments were in regards to FFXI.

Here is how it spun out of control for no reason:



Note that he was not saying all of WoW looked good, but that with an expansion the races got better.

Now, the first time a WoW picture came into play was:



Note here that even Seph found the original character models looked good (but from CG point of view) yet thought they looked ugly. This statement was to correct the previous statement by Kilhart that the new races looked good.

Also note that I did not include the other four images used because they were redundant and did not add context to the post.

Silverbreeze decides to compare FFXI screenshots to WoW screenshots and declare how these pictures can look deceiving and vice versa. Debacle about how screenshots are compressed and taken at low specs which distort the way the game actually looks. This further solidfies that screenshots are deceiving and is not adding to the context of the opinion debate.

Note, that in two pages there has not been ONE positive comment about WoW, and there have been negative comments from more than ten users actively posting in the thread.

High Res screenshots of FFXI are posted in thread. They look beautiful. God I hate people with great computers...err ehem, back to SSPing.

For some reason Seph thinks he is being attacked or someone is doubting him, so he decides to post (cleaned up):



Nothing of value was posted. There was no need for this post. Looking at the data from a couple pages, there needed no clarification of the subject matter on how CG art looks different than in-game graphics.

The worst part about this post is that Seph decided to include shitty UI screenshots of WoW and compare those to FFXI. Also: SHADOW FUCKING MANTLE!!!

Further posts pick on how shitty of a UI the WoW players were using.

Silverbreeze retorts with a screenshot that has a very minimal UI for raiding in WoW. This has nothing to do with how shitty WoW is, but that some people decide to use shitty UIs.

Silverbreeze also retorts with an equally shitty/clustered FFXI screenshot. Note that the situation only happens in one area at one certain time. The image was just to show that FFXI CAN get clustered as much as WoW can.

Note also that up until now there have been no positive comments about WoW.

Silverbreeze enjoying new raid content (has to do with gameplay and not graphics) is the first sign of positivity for WoW. Also adds her opinion on why she likes the cartoony effects of WoW.

Seph decides that Silverbreeze is ridiculing him on his screenshots so decides to throw in his own comments.



Note that this entire time we were talking about graphics, even Seph had said so in his last quote (broken down below). Now we are talking about game design? I'm sorry but Seph, YOU are the reason this has gotten out of hand.



The two sentences, along with what Seph had said earlier contradict each other. Seph wanted to prove that the CG art looked better than the in-game graphics, so he posted the results (twice). The first time was with shitty settings and the second he tried to pound the idea into the ground with "best looking" graphics.



No one was saying FFXI sucked (Silverbreeze made the comment about camping the same thing for 5 years and how WoW has new content every so often) or WoW was superior. YOU instigated that. There was no hint of insecurity at all in Silverbreeze's comments. I know this because I have an education and understand social interactions both written and spoken. The only person "dying" was Silverbreeze, and I put that in quotes because the only thing she commented on was the UI screenshot that you DID NOT need to post, you even said it yourself. You included more than the Blood Elf picture.



You should take your own advice. The reason gameplay became an issue was because you added a useless image that included a clustered UI. Rowe and Silverbreeze commented on it and how they vary greatly from player to player. Silverbreeze then gave her opinion on WoW.

We had been talking about graphics from the very beginning, then you say we aren't, now you say we are. Note that this is all in one page. No one was even talking about game play of WoW until you thought it got brought up (which it never did).

Silverbreeze later tries to explain her post without getting offensive.



SURE SOUNDS LIKE SHE LOVES WOW. Note, Silverbreeze enjoys Triangle Feet.

Seph goes on to believe that he posted the best screenshots of WoW (perhaps after looking at the first two pages of Google). This argument is highly unsound for lack of variety/information.

Setsuko firmly plants the argument into the ground with a cast-iron stake and 12lb sledge by posting a WoW raid with a UI that 98% of WoW players use.

Spoiler: show

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...g?t=1249879732

This answers all of Seph's complaints on why Silverbreeze's screenshots should be nullified for comparison's sake.

However, since the players look like ants then the screenshot proves nothing. Apparently nothing can appease Seph. Most of the rest of the post has been repeated talking points by Seph. No value posted.

Setsuko drops the word troll on Seph. First time used in the investigation.



None of this happened. If you think it did, look through pages 30 and 31. The term troll has now been solidified in Seph's vocabulary. Everything said about WoW has been an opinion and never opressed FFXI people because guess what, everyone that still posts outside of the WoW subforums still plays or has some sliver of fondness for FFXI.



If you have read up until now you will find that this comment is false. I don't need to explain.

Akiyama tries to simmer the fire that is starting to rage.

Wow holy fuck you went to a lot of effort to call Seph out, is your brain going to explode now from reading all of his idiotic posts?

[Aksannyi]

Also, lol at calling Seph Starr.

[Milkster]

I love you.
I dont post much, but you remind me of Starr, i thought he was banned but you must in fact be him, or at least a clone, welcome good sir, welcome.

Also, lets make more shit up for fun we can be like fox news!

Starr was a troll but atleast he wasn't always wrong. Starr was also kind of fun.