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    Quote Originally Posted by Agito View Post
    If you can't afford a good computer and decide to play on a Playstation3 don't feel like you have to give up the ~Keyboard and ~Mouse. PS3 has 2 USB ports, just buy an USB keyboard/mouse and you're set!
    I decided to just get a ps3 and save my money, I plan on getting the keyboard like I did my PS2 but does anyone know if a mouse is supported on ps3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averrinicus View Post
    I decided to just get a ps3 and save my money, I plan on getting the keyboard like I did my PS2 but does anyone know if a mouse is supported on ps3?
    Yes but depends if the game supports the function. Not all games support it, like COD4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuushin View Post
    Yes but depends if the game supports the function. Not all games support it, like COD4.
    okay awesome, now I hope they add it to the ps3 version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingkai View Post
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    The PS3 will not be limited due to current PC hardware at FF14's launch. The PS3 is running a 79xx GTX GPU for crying out loud. The Cell architecture is impressive, but it's ultimately the CPU of the PS3. Visually-speaking, a mid-range to top of the line PC shits all over the PS3 in every way imaginable. Seriously I'm seeing this posted too many times on the internet to keep ignoring it

    The PS3 isn't that powerful. Drop the bong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averrinicus View Post
    okay awesome, now I hope they add it too the ps3 version.
    Mouse works with FFXI on PS2 so i'm 99% sure it'll work with FFXIV on PS3.

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    Mouse does work on PS3, I got one of them free wireless keyboard and mouse combos from club live, hooked it up to my PS3 and the keyboard and mouse both work in the PS3 web browser.

    Even cheap computers like these premade dells they have at best buy for $500, come with like a core 2 duo 3 ghz, 6 gb of ram, had a crappy video card but still, you could replace it with gf 9800 gtx for 100$ and I am sure it would run fine. As long as you not getting like a core i7 its not hard to get a PC for cheap to run ff14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agito View Post
    If you can't afford a good computer and decide to play on a Playstation3 don't feel like you have to give up the ~Keyboard and ~Mouse. PS3 has 2 USB ports, just buy an USB keyboard/mouse and you're set!
    I use bluetooth Keyboard/mouse/headset.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reality View Post
    The Cell architecture is impressive, but it's ultimately the CPU of the PS3. Visually-speaking, a mid-range to top of the line PC shits all over the PS3 in every way imaginable
    The PS3 isn't that powerful. Drop the bong
    Show me mid range PC that can display this
    http://i44.tinypic.com/dfzzhe.jpg
    http://i29.tinypic.com/148gnd2.jpg

    Cell Architecture is not only "Impressive" it's the future of CPUs.
    Cell>Intel latest Core i7 is proven for gaming and video editing, you need to understand that Intel cpus are built to be jack of all trades not built for gaming only in mind, There was even tests where CELL alone edit 1080p videos faster than water cooled Core i7 overclocked to 4.000GHZ, it's mathematical raw power is insane too CELL from PS3 around 256 GFlops, i7 from 2009 around 36 GFlop.

    The fastest Super computers on earth and ARMY super computers now use Cell so lets stop making BS about Cell being weak or anything like that please
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner
    Ctrl+F CELL

    PS3 bottleneck is the GPU not the CPU that's for sure. PS3 is not powerful? lolz it got the most powerful CPU on earth right now man

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    comparing pcs & consoles is somewhat idiotic.

    of course, ps3 is powerful, alone it's cpu is up to 27 times quicker the a core duo 2,4 ghz intel.but at the same time a pc is loading alot more ressources, unlike a console.

    if you want to run your game on optimal performance, it might aswell be more worth buying a console then paying another 1000$ for a pc that will give u the same result, or you just let your pc run on minimum so you can have a good time online.

    for ffxiv i don't belive you will need an uber leet machine, usually mmorpgs are programmed to hold alot of players, on a decent machine.of course, not everyone is ready to spend thousands of bucks on a pc to just play a game, and this is also what game producers are looking forward to.

    most of the pc packs you can buy at ur local shop for 900$ or less would run ffxiv without problems i bet.

    as for games like crysis & the game shown above, those pics show the game on their maximum performance, not everyone is aiming for that, but if they are they'll have to spend the money for it, that's up to the one playing the game.

    i'm running on a 2,2 ghz dual core with 2 gb ram and my gpu is a asus en8800gt.i build that pc about 2 1/2 years ago for around 850€ and it's still playing all my actuall games under maximum performance without the slightest problem.and i'm sure it will also deal with ffxiv without a problem, maybe not on maximum performance, but surly will give me a good feeling while playing.

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    Well, they said the requirements will be high since it's on PS3 in HD or something..so safe to say at least a PC built in the last 2 years.

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    Curious... what's the advantage to using 2 Graphic Cards vs 1 for normal gaming use?
    I mean is there a real point (just for gaming), will you see any difference?
    And if you use 2 cards, do they need to be the same, or can one be diff (lower) then the other?
    And any special type of system configuration for them or can you just install them, and drivers, and be done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlan View Post
    Curious... what's the advantage to using 2 Graphic Cards vs 1 for normal gaming use?
    I mean is there a real point (just for gaming), will you see any difference?
    And if you use 2 cards, do they need to be the same, or can one be diff (lower) then the other?
    And any special type of system configuration for them or can you just install them, and drivers, and be done?
    Your motherboard has to support SLI (Nvidia) or Crossfire (ATI) to be able to do it.
    They must be the exact same GPU/core to work. IE: Dual GTX 260 cards. However, they can be different manufacturers, such as an EVGA GTX 260 with a BFG GTX260.
    You have to have 2 PCIe slots, obviously. There is also a connector that usually comes with the motherboard (but sometimes also the cards...not sure) that ties one card to the other.

    It's the same concept as having a dual core computer. You get double the processing power. It will improve performance in any game, but even moreso when a game is optimized to be used with SLI/Crossfire.

    There are a few reasons for doing it. Mainly, in that there are sort of four "tiers" of performance vs. what you pay when it comes to a PC:

    1. Cheapest - 1 Cheap, Slightly outdated (as in <6months) graphics card (OK performance). ie: $100-150
    2. Affordable - 2 Cheap, Slightly outdated cards in SLI/XFIRE (Good performance) ie: $200-$300
    3. Expensive - 1 premier, brand new top of the line card (Great performance) ie: $300-$500
    4. WTF - 2 premier, brand new cards in SLI/XFIRE (Can almost run Crysis) ie: $600-$1000

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    I'm a comp hardware noob, but this is my comp so it should be able to support 2 cards? So that would mean I would need another GTX 285 2GB? Would I need to upgrade anything else to go along w/ 2 cards (assuming I don't upgrade my GTX 285 2GB)? Or would 2 cards just be overdoing it? (I really know nothing about hardware stuff, just had a comp built for me that looked pretty - but the case I got is huge and seems to have extra slots below the Card for another)

    Processor: ( [New !!] Intel® Core™ i7 965 Processor Extreme Edition (4x 3.2GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
    Processor Cooling: ( Coolermaster V10 Hybrid TEC CPU Cooling Fan System Full cover of DRAM & CPU cooling )
    Motherboard: ( Asus P6T Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, 3-Way SLI PCI-E MB 3-Way SLI )
    Memory: ( 6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module Corsair XMS3 Dominator w/DHX technology )
    Video Card: ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 2GB w/DVI + TV Out Video )
    Video Card Brand: ( === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Card Powered by NVIDIA )

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    PS3 more than beats most mid to high end gaming PC's right now, they make supercomputers out of them. It isn't about size or speed of chip, it is about how the processors processes and the cell engine works.

    While it takes a ATI4870 to run F@H on your PC, the PS3 handles it well with it's 7XXX series GPU, because the math required to perform the calc's is able to be handled by the cell engine, which a quad core chip can't do. The cell engine IS a GPU, the GPU mentioned prolly only does the physics portion while everything else is handles by the cell engine.

    Also, not running a microsoft product in the background helps some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlan View Post
    I'm a comp hardware noob, but this is my comp so it should be able to support 2 cards? So that would mean I would need another GTX 285 2GB? Would I need to upgrade anything else to go along w/ 2 cards (assuming I don't upgrade my GTX 285 2GB)? Or would 2 cards just be overdoing it? (I really know nothing about hardware stuff, just had a comp built for me that looked pretty - but the case I got is huge and seems to have extra slots below the Card for another)

    Processor: ( [New !!] Intel® Core™ i7 965 Processor Extreme Edition (4x 3.2GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
    Processor Cooling: ( Coolermaster V10 Hybrid TEC CPU Cooling Fan System Full cover of DRAM & CPU cooling )
    Motherboard: ( Asus P6T Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, 3-Way SLI PCI-E MB 3-Way SLI )
    Memory: ( 6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module Corsair XMS3 Dominator w/DHX technology )
    Video Card: ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 2GB w/DVI + TV Out Video )
    Video Card Brand: ( === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Card Powered by NVIDIA )
    Supports 3 cards, that setup will be fine, only thing I would caution you on is to make sure the mfgr of the GPU is reputible, sometimes they use junk people to make it cheaper. Everything else looks good.


    Curious... what's the advantage to using 2 Graphic Cards vs 1 for normal gaming use?
    I mean is there a real point (just for gaming), will you see any difference?
    And if you use 2 cards, do they need to be the same, or can one be diff (lower) then the other?
    And any special type of system configuration for them or can you just install them, and drivers, and be done?
    Dual cards depends on the resolution you are running at, higher resolution, more GPU you need to keep your frames per second up to 60, which is the max for running anything on a LCD monitor. Some games work with dual and triple cards, some don't. To sum it up, anything 1920X1200 and under one decent card will work and be lag free on max settings, 1920+ you are entering 2-4 card range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlan View Post
    I'm a comp hardware noob, but this is my comp so it should be able to support 2 cards? So that would mean I would need another GTX 285 2GB? Would I need to upgrade anything else to go along w/ 2 cards (assuming I don't upgrade my GTX 285 2GB)? Or would 2 cards just be overdoing it? (I really know nothing about hardware stuff, just had a comp built for me that looked pretty - but the case I got is huge and seems to have extra slots below the Card for another)

    Processor: ( [New !!] Intel® Core™ i7 965 Processor Extreme Edition (4x 3.2GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
    Processor Cooling: ( Coolermaster V10 Hybrid TEC CPU Cooling Fan System Full cover of DRAM & CPU cooling )
    Motherboard: ( Asus P6T Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire and SLI Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, 3-Way SLI PCI-E MB 3-Way SLI )
    Memory: ( 6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module Corsair XMS3 Dominator w/DHX technology )
    Video Card: ( NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 2GB w/DVI + TV Out Video )
    Video Card Brand: ( === High Performance === eVGA Brand Video Card Powered by NVIDIA )
    Your motherboard supports having two cards, says right there SLI Supported.
    A single GTX 285 is more than enough power at this point. It's only one small step below the best card on the market right now. In the future (aka when FFXIV comes out), you can either add another GTX 285, or perhaps buy a single new card that supports DX11, if FFXIV has DX11 support, that is.

    Right now your machine is fap-worthy, and you should just polish it nicely and leave it alone.

    What kind of monitor do you have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawfee View Post

    What kind of monitor do you have?
    I use a 24.5inch 1080p true HD. Play stuff at max res lol. Computer doesn't have a native HDMI so i use DVI (or can get a HDMI to DVI converter, but don't know if that would help anything anything).

    Thanks for the input. Like I said, I am a hardware noob and had ibuypower make me a comp because I am not comp savvy enough to know how to make one myself. But this comp is good enough to upgrade piece by piece when the time comes (Power Supply: ( 850 Watt -- Coolermaster Real Power Pro 850w Power Supply Quad SLI Ready )). One mistake I did make is not having them put in 2 HD's, so that is something I need to have my friend come over and configure so I can separate my OS from everything else.

    If I need another card for XIV then I guess I'll buy one closer to it's release when the price on another GTX 285 is cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlan View Post
    I use a 24.5inch 1080p true HD. Play stuff at max res lol. Computer doesn't have a native HDMI so i use DVI (or can get a HDMI to DVI converter, but don't know if that would help anything anything).

    Thanks for the input. Like I said, I am a hardware noob and had ibuypower make me a comp because I am not comp savvy enough to know how to make one myself. But this comp is good enough to upgrade piece by piece when the time comes (Power Supply: ( 850 Watt -- Coolermaster Real Power Pro 850w Power Supply Quad SLI Ready )). One mistake I did make is not having them put in 2 HD's, so that is something I need to have my friend come over and configure so I can separate my OS from everything else.

    If I need another card for XIV then I guess I'll buy one closer to it's release when the price on another GTX 285 is cheaper.
    Getting DVI to HDMI won't change anything. The only thing you can ever due to a signal is degrade it, you can't "upgrade" it by changing from DVI to HDMI. However, DVI is fine for this application. The only thing HDMI really adds is the ability to transfer sound over the same cable (unnecessary for computers).

    Right now you should be able to play everything maxed out. When FFXIV comes out, depending on its features, you may need another card GTX285, or a new card (for DX11 support), to get full effect on max resolution on your monitor. Really can't say until we see the finished version of FFXIV.

    And if you do absolutely nothing, you can still probably play it on really, really high settings. Your computer is pretty sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingkai View Post
    PS3 more than beats most mid to high end gaming PC's right now, they make supercomputers out of them. It isn't about size or speed of chip, it is about how the processors processes and the cell engine works.

    While it takes a ATI4870 to run F@H on your PC, the PS3 handles it well with it's 7XXX series GPU, because the math required to perform the calc's is able to be handled by the cell engine, which a quad core chip can't do. The cell engine IS a GPU, the GPU mentioned prolly only does the physics portion while everything else is handles by the cell engine.

    Also, not running a microsoft product in the background helps some.

    F@H ISN'T a game, it has no meantionable graphics effects of any kind

    F@H on a GPGPU setup > PS3 F@H

    the GPU mentioned prolly only does the physics portion while everything else is handles by the cell engine.
    lol

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    No it isn't, but it uses some of the same math games do, which helps to compare the abilities.

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    From wiki;

    The Cell Broadband Engine—or Cell as it is more commonly known—is a microprocessor designed to bridge the gap between conventional desktop processors (such as the Athlon 64, and Core 2 families) and more specialized high-performance processors, such as the NVIDIA and ATI graphics-processors (GPUs). The longer name indicates its intended use, namely as a component in current and future digital distribution systems; as such it may be utilized in high-definition displays and recording equipment, as well as computer entertainment systems for the HDTV era. Additionally the processor may be suited to digital imaging systems (medical, scientific, etc.) as well as physical simulation (e.g., scientific and structural engineering modeling).
    lol

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