Completed Relic/Ebisu Rod List - Also, Indomitable Spirit quest bitching

**nibu** · 2009-09-01 14:32

Originally Posted by spider123

Congrats Molokai! And fucking 'ey Nibu. Offer still stands! D: Come to Lakshmi, and I'll fish up Gugu's for free!

Argh, so tempting! Looked up the info on World Transfer Service, and it looks like the minimum amount of time I would have to spend over there is 3 months (not the 6 months I originally thought it was). Also a $25 charge both ways (to move there, and then to move back; 50$ total). I'll have to think about it a bit more...

Would you consider having your way paid to transfer to Carbuncle?

**Ryphen** · 2009-09-01 17:41

For people that like collecting stats, I went 1/59 on Gugrusaurus and 1/445 on Liks. Got the rod around 7/10/09.

I also quested my Lu by fishing up 10 stacks of moat carp a day for 3 months. Which I think I did because finding carp on the AH was a royal pain.

Oh, and because rain hat was mentioned, I went 1/1 on that while running to Zi'Tah on the way to Ro'Maeve. Thought I'd check if Noble Mold was up and it was. Still stands as one of only two things I've ever gone 1/1 on that wasn't a guaranteed drop.

**urat** · 2009-09-01 18:10

Originally Posted by Ryphen

For people that like collecting stats, I went 1/59 on Gugrusaurus and 1/445 on Liks. Got the rod around 7/10/09.

I also quested my Lu by fishing up 10 stacks of moat carp a day for 3 months. Which I think I did because finding carp on the AH was a royal pain.

Oh, and because rain hat was mentioned, I went 1/1 on that while running to Zi'Tah on the way to Ro'Maeve. Thought I'd check if Noble Mold was up and it was. Still stands as one of only two things I've ever gone 1/1 on that wasn't a guaranteed drop.

Rain hat, ebisu, quested lu shangs...

You are a true fishercat! /jealous

**Jojojo** · 2009-09-02 07:36

So, what's the new limit on Ebisu? 300 per day? No limit?

**Arthars** · 2009-09-02 07:51

same limit but easier to deplete fishes

**Jojojo** · 2009-09-02 12:44

Originally Posted by Arthars

same limit but easier to deplete fishes

Really, because the version update implied that the limit would be increased: 2009 - (07/17/2009) Version Update Sneak Peek - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more

Are you suggesting that the version update merely made it easier to deplete fish? Because that doesn't match what the update said at all.

**nibu** · 2009-09-02 13:38

Originally Posted by Jojojo

Really, because the version update implied that the limit would be increased: 2009 - (07/17/2009) Version Update Sneak Peek - FFXIclopedia, the Final Fantasy XI wiki - Characters, items, jobs, and more

Are you suggesting that the version update merely made it easier to deplete fish? Because that doesn't match what the update said at all.

"The ebisu fishing rod, looked upon by many as the mythic weapon of the angler community, is set to be on the receiving end of a potent upgrade. From the July version update onwards, wielders of this mighty king among fishing rods can expect an even bigger haul after a day at their favorite fishing spot."

It wouldn't be a perfect match to say that they raised the cap, either. The bolded phrase is open to interpretation.

If SE assumes that someone who fishes with an ebisu rod can not drain lik/gugru 100% of the time (perhaps without rings), if you make it easier for them to drain fish, they will, indeed, increase their haul after a fishing session. The update makes no mention of fishermen fishing until they are completely fatigued; it only gives the timeframe of a "day" at their favorite fishing spot, and for most people, a fishing session isn't going to BE a literal full day of fishing until cap fatigue.

Edit: Not to mention multiple people have tested whether there was a new ebisu fatigue limit. It was still 200.

**molokai** · 2009-09-02 13:44

Originally Posted by nibu

Not to mention multiple people have tested whether there was a new ebisu fatigue limit. It was still 200.

This

**shaddix** · 2009-09-02 16:11

i swear i read it was a few fish more

spider123 · 2009-09-02 16:36

Originally Posted by nibu

Argh, so tempting! Looked up the info on World Transfer Service, and it looks like the minimum amount of time I would have to spend over there is 3 months (not the 6 months I originally thought it was). Also a $25 charge both ways (to move there, and then to move back; 50$ total). I'll have to think about it a bit more...

Would you consider having your way paid to transfer to Carbuncle?

Nah, lots of people would lynch me if I left! <_>

**shiarua** · 2009-09-02 17:31

This last Sunday: (I was too lazy to post a SS, plus havent really been playing for the past two weeks)
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2...0830105656.png

**cdgreg** · 2009-09-02 19:09

PPPPPAGE BREAKERRRRR

**cdgreg** · 2009-09-02 19:11

Originally Posted by Jojojo

Are you suggesting that the version update merely made it easier to deplete fish? Because that doesn't match what the update said at all.

Arthars is right, I posted this on my LS forums a couple days after the update, haven't posted it on here for obvious reasons. But everyone knows now so whatever:

Ebisu Buff
I posted about this briefly on BG, but have not elaborated any further since it can in theory hurt my personal profits quite a bit. Therefore I'm not going to try to convince the general ffxi public of what I am about to post, it's not in my best interest. So, here are some of the theories as to what may have been buffed, and what I believe was actually buffed.

Cap Raise
1.) It was originally hypothesized that the Ebisu buff would only be an increase in the hardcap number of fish before you reach full fatigue for one RL day. Lu's fatigue number is 200, while Ebisu's fatigue number seems to float between 200-220 for some odd reason. Anyways, through some simple testing (not on my part), it was confirmed the Ebisu fatigue cap is still reached between 200-220. There was no buff in the category of fatigue cap.

Bite Rate Increase/Line Break Decrease
2.) Some hoped that the bite rate of Liks and Gugs would be increased because they really take a decent amount of time dedication to fish up. I've fished up as few as 0 in 20 minutes before, and 2 in an hour. From looking at the number of Gug bites per boat trip, there has been no increase in average number of bites. Sure, some rides you'll get 6 bites, but other rides you'll get 1, so no change there. Also, the line break rate seems to be the same as it was before. There was no buff in the category of bite rate increase or line break decrease.

Depletion Rate Increase
3.) Other than being unbreakable, this is what makes Ebisu really shine over a Lu. While I never tried to fish Lik/Gugs with a Lu, I believe Elipse can account for this fact.

a.) Pre-update I was able to fish up Liks easily with Albatross but did not have a chance at Gugs with paid support. The majority of players on BG with Ebisu also said it was impossible to fish Gugs with only Albatross except for one who said he can quite often reel them in with only Albatross, but always goes down to the wire with the "You don't know how much longer you can keep this one on the line for..." message. While I never took any screenshots of myself failing at reeling in gugs, Elipse can verify through some conversations we had, that I was saving up for Moghouse Signboard because I was hoping to be able to pull up gugs without Penguin's ring. The last time I tried gugs pre-update was as a 96 natural skill with paid support, I tried them on both my main PC slowed down, and my laptop, neither PC could I get the gug below 30-40% before timing out.

b.) The day after the update I was fishing up guild points on the ferry between Selbina and Mhaura. Originally, the only place and time you could fish up Gugs was on this ferry when the pirate's attacked. So, while I was fishing up GP's the pirate's just happened to attack and a gug bit. I was at natural 99 skill with no paid support and as you can see I was able to reel the gug in without getting the low time warning.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6...rywithpira.jpg

c.) I was utterly shocked at the above finding. I posted it on BG and was told gugs on that boat during pirate attacks are probably just easier because they're the original gugs. So, after Einherjar I hit up the mhaura > whitegate ferry and tried out my luck on those gugs. They were just as easy as the pirate gugs, I made sure you could see in this SS that I did not get the warning message of low time.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/473...ugfishedup.jpg

d.) I posted again on BG showing the SS and people pointed out I had support in that (+3 skill) which was a good point, so I went back and fished up gugs without support just as easily. This verified that my natural 99 skill was not what made pulling up the gugs possible, because pre-update I had 96 skill + 3 support equaling 99.

e.) The poster on BG who constantly fished Gugs with only Albatross pre-update also now reports rarely seeing the low time message compared to seeing it on almost every Gug beforehand.

I believe through my pre-update failures on gugs, and post update SS's of fishing up gugs *easily* with only Albatross, the buff to Ebisu was in depletion rate.

As you can see, the reason I am not pushing my argument on BG against the people who are screaming WTF EBISU WASN'T BUFFED AT ALL, is because I don't want them flooding the gug market. Many people, like myself, never had the ability to fish gugs pre-update because Penguin's ring is such a pain in the ass to acquire but this makes it easy.

**shaddix** · 2009-09-02 21:35

coo coo. gugru and lik prices been dropping on valefor ever since i got my ebisu

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oh well i can still sell for 15k/ea! if it gets down to 12 or so though i may just go after cave cherax

**nibu** · 2009-09-02 22:10

29 more thrown into the abyss known as "Zaldon."

0/804 Gugrus~

Any day now...

**cdgreg** · 2009-09-02 22:15

Originally Posted by nibu

29 more thrown into the abyss known as "Zaldon."

0/804 Gugrus~

Any day now...

Keep plugging away my friend, keep plugging away...

spider123 · 2009-09-03 00:43

Don't lose faith Q_Q

**Albender** · 2009-09-03 02:45

Keep on going Nibu..
/cheer

**Ivaden** · 2009-09-03 02:50

Nibu, every time I see you post in here I'm cheering that you got the item finally. ;_;

Maybe it's time to drop the formalities and alpha Galka it up, slap Zaldon around, show him who's boss!

**nibu** · 2009-09-03 03:33

Oh wow, every time I post with an update, I get more and more /cheers and support. /blush Thanks everyone!

Almost won myself a Harajnite Shell from campaign today. That would have bought a lot of gugrus (or it would have paid off some of my debt...whichever way you look at it!). Going price is a solid 1 million gil.

Originally Posted by Ivaden

Maybe it's time to drop the formalities and alpha Galka it up, slap Zaldon around, show him who's boss!

You could be on to something, there. Maybe Galka are like Klingon: Gotta be a tough guy to get some motha!@#$in' respect. A stab here, a "Puh-takh" there, and maybe that saber shoot will magically show up. Though after that abuse, Zaldon might decide to....ahem....deposit the goods into an uncomfortable orifice.

Whatever it takes, though! Qapla'!

(...I've been watching a lot of TNG, lately.)

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