Salvage DKP / Drop Systems

[Zeb]

I think it doesn't matter how you do it as long as the group thinks it's fair and you keep the process open. I highly recommend you keep track of everything you do, people's wishlists and all the drops you get. Put that info somewhere that everyone in your group has access to view. I recommend this for any long term event that has more than 6 people. People are less prone to bitching when they can see what is going on.


For my group, which we're all friends and in the same ls. I just had everyone give me a list of every completed salvage piece in their order of preference. Then compiled the list for everyone to see on a google docs webpage (I originally had all the info on an Excel spreadsheet, which I would send copies to anytime anyone wanted to see it, but a HD died and I lost it). I keep everything open so everyone can see what's going on. I think as long as you keep everything open and communicate about what is going on there shouldn't be a problem.

[Windfoxster]

IMO 8-12 seems like a lot for salvage. Try to find like 6-7 hardcore members that play everyday and best of all, they are your friends. Then you won't need any rules cause it will work out just fine

[Eldelphia]

We started a new group recently. We've found it's boiling down to 6-8 peeps who show up regularly. We had them wishlist 5 pieces 1-5 and we've based our early runs on trying for 35s for the #1 pieces. If we manage to get one, we'll move to focusing on finishing that piece.

[Aemora]

I dictate solely who gets to lot what shit. It works aweomely after 2 and a half years!

But when we first started, I did an attendance thingy that was really complicated, but worked really well. It was like #1 item = 30%+ Attendance, #2 item = 60%+ Attendance, #3 item = 85%+ attendance... If person A has 70% Attendance and has Morri Body as their #1 item, and Person B has the same item as their #2 but has 95% Attendance, both would lot.

It was as bit more in-depth than that but that's the general gist. Now we've gotten so much shit, it's either all freelot or I decide who gets what. I've gotten no complaints for the last year. :D

Suffice it to say, the more you attended the runs, the more stuff you could lot on. Instead of gaining seniority over 1 item in particular, by attending lots you could gain lotting rights to all your listed items. Worked really well.

[Acturus]

When I ran my Salvage group, I asked that everyone choose either a full set, or 5 individual pieces of armor. From that, each person picked two of their 5, one was top tier, one was second tier. The other three were "all other".

15s were free lot.
25s were lotted by everyone with that item's upgrade on their list of 5.
35s were lotted by those who had that item's upgrade as their tier 1, followed by those that had it as their tier 2, then all other, then free lot.

15s and 25s were automatically defaulted to specific lotters if they had the corresponding 35.

Alex's were sold/split.



What I did then was compile a top 5 target list. Lucky for us, the majority of our requests were Arrapago NMs, so I would alternate runs between an Arrapago NM run and a chariot run for practice and 25s.

The idea was that everyone had two upgrades they wanted, and our long term plans included 5 pieces per person just so everyone was working on their list in two ways. Inevitably, you have drops that aren't "most wanted", but may still be desired. I needed to account for those. The rule was that I would lock down the requests until everyone had 4/5 of their items or until the group had 90% of the total upgrades completed.



It's tough to lead a group in Salvage, because there's not something for everyone, and there is rarely a reason to use points because you tend to have the same static 7-10 people.

I, as the leader, had to ensure that everyone was given some chance at their upgrades. Ideally, once a person upgraded an item, I wouldn't target their mobs for several runs, or until another piece was upgraded. Since we only did 2-3 runs a week, I also encouraged outside runs or loMan stuff because at the end of the day, one less drop for me to worry about is one less drop for me to worry about.

[Streak]

Like most folks, my group doesn't use a point system, although we do track attendance every run.

New people are on trial for 4 runs, before this they can only lot free items (usually 15s).

If you miss 3 runs in a row, you go back on trial for 4 more runs.

After trial, people pick one main and one secondary. A maximum of two people can pick the same item; first come, first serve. If a main drops, both people can lot it barring 2/3 for completion or serious difference in attendence. Same with secondaries if no one has as main. You can change your main/secondary between runs at no penalty, although this is only encouraged if you get a random 35 you want to finish.

We pick our runs in an interesting way; at the end of each run, all non-trial members random and the winner picks the next run. Trial people, and people who just picked a run, don't get a say. This system has its ups and downs, but is generally pretty decent:

-You have to come in order to have a say in where we go.
-The schedule is known only 1-2 days in advance so its harder to only show up when it's "your" run.
-Zones/Mobs which many people want will be picked more often.
-Just because you picked the run, doesn't mean we will ONLY do your mob. We will hit as many mains in the zone as we can, and do different routes (SS for example) to give many people chances at their drop.
-Yes, it can suck if you're the only one out of 15 people who wants a certain NM, but you get the same chance to pick a run as everyone else, and over time the selection of zones is quite equal, so your mobs will be hit even if you never win any randoms.

Over the last year we've hit each zone very close to the same number of times, and there's been almost no friction. We go three times a week and even with a lot of turnover it's still working fairly well. You get what you put in; the most serious members get to random and pick runs the most. Those who only come once a week or less will find they don't get a say and will have to hope for the best. All of our long term members have finished their initial mains and newer people are starting to get theres too.

Every bit of information I can think of is up on a googledoc spreadsheet for transparency. I think everyone agrees this is really important to hold trust from your members.

[Yabby]

Its really hard to do a fair system because of how rare somethings are. Problem with picking one thing to upgrade is, well you don't always do a zone for that piece. All i do with my shell is have someone pick a main/sub and I pick who lots want based on a few things.

1.Attendance
2.Does said person have 15/25?
3.Can the lotter even upgrade?(Nothing pisses me off more than having a full body done, and 6months later its still not upgraded)

[Drace]

Each person started the shell with a top 2 list. Once a piece is finished, you can replace that armor on your list with a new choice - if what you replace it with is not already on anyones list, you have top lot on it, if what you want is already on someone elses list, you are in line behind them for it. Drops that are not currently on top 2 lists are freelot for people that can equip/ want to upgrade - this allows people that might not have much luck on their top 2 drops to get some gear as well.

If someone has a 35, they get priority on the 25 drops over those that don't.

When attendance becomes a major issue with people lotting the same piece, I choose who has top lot on it. This only becomes a problem with people that don't show up more than half the time, at which point I find a replacement for them anyway.

[Shuichi]

Here's what we did:

Everyone picked a main set and a rot set. Zones were on a rotation. If someone scored a 35, we then proceeded to get the corresponding 25/15 to finish that part for them. We did sets so that if someone was very lucky and completed their parts before someone else, they couldn't then move over to a new part/set and block someone's main set progress. Since we were all friends, there was never any drama over lotting. So the main point is to go with friends.

More than likely you'll find that while working toward main sets, you'll begin to stack up parts for secondary sets and beyond if you go with the same people all the time.

Good luck!

[Staren]

Thank you all for the posts. I think I've started creating a system thats going to be a conglomeration of the best parts of everything here. I know its important to go with friends and we are just being a good friend I know that 3-4 of my friends are rather prone to missing runs while others will be ocd and have 100% attendance. So its good to hear how everything has been handled for ya'll and has worked.

[Acturus]

Thank you all for the posts. I think I've started creating a system thats going to be a conglomeration of the best parts of everything here. I know its important to go with friends and we are just being a good friend I know that 3-4 of my friends are rather prone to missing runs while others will be ocd and have 100% attendance. So its good to hear how everything has been handled for ya'll and has worked.

Let me say it now, you'll want to chop off the dead weight as quickly as possible, and dead weight to a Salvage group is anyone who can't consistantly make runs week after week for months at a time. In all seriousness, ask the people you recruit to factor in work and school schedules, and tell them that 6 months of participation with few absences is a realistic projection of the effort required, regardless of whether you do one run a week, or 6.

If you have friends who are "prone to missing runs", your best bet would be to not include them in the first place. Salvage is not quick, and any additional annoyances will compound the time spent farming Bhaflau a dozen times without seeing any lolBees.

[Drace]

Let me say it now, you'll want to chop off the dead weight as quickly as possible, and dead weight to a Salvage group is anyone who can't consistantly make runs week after week for months at a time. In all seriousness, ask the people you recruit to factor in work and school schedules, and tell them that 6 months of participation with few absences is a realistic projection of the effort required, regardless of whether you do one run a week, or 6.

If you have friends who are "prone to missing runs", your best bet would be to not include them in the first place. Salvage is not quick, and any additional annoyances will compound the time spent farming Bhaflau a dozen times without seeing any lolBees.

This x100

I had to finally cut 4+ "friends" in the shell I run because they thought they could show up for less than half the runs early on in the shell (while initially telling me they could commit to the 3 scheduled weekly runs, and rarely giving me advanced notice of absence) and it would all be kosher. You need to be very clear up front about the time commitment it will take to finish gear for everyone in the shell. I'm all for putting RL events ahead of a video game, but that also means some people just shouldn't try to squeeze in a low man event like Salvage with constant RL scheduling conflicts when everyone is counting on them to be able to make runs. Salvage is best run with 6-8 people, when 3-4 of those are flakey it becomes a strain on everyone quickly. Get rid of the dead weight before it strains the entire group and focus on the people that can show up consistently.

[Ashira]

In our system, we have everyone rank every single piece 1-25.

Once you reach a certain number of runs you get prio 1 consideration for your #1 piece, aka your piece will be considered for a run once roll call has been done and we see who is able to attend that evening. The # eludes me at this moment... 25 I think?

After finishing that piece, you have to hit 50 or 75 or whatever # of runs for your #2 to be pushed to your #1, so it's not an auto push once you have something completed. It's a 25 run or some such multiple each time; this way others' prios have a chance to be targeted.

If two people want an item, the person who has it ranked higher gets lot priority. If two have the same ranking on their personal list, they lot against each other.

The caveat with this system is when you're dealing with multiple #1s, then choosing which run to go on. We're typically running two at a time and it can be frustrating when you're asked to go support on one run when your #1 or #2 is on the run the other group is doing. :/ But you also have to work with who's available to go one what days.

It is a bit complicated, but it works and keeps things relatively balanced. The people with multiple sets are the people that go every single night; then those who don't go nearly as often will find their prios lagging behind.

I also probably did a horrible job explaining it, because frankly, I don't really understand it very well myself.

[Leafar]

Just wanted to throw my two cents in on our system, that works for my LS

*this works for us because we run an open to LS members system*

First everyone chooses a Main set and a Secondary set.

we avg 7 runs a week, but run two seperate lotting styles, On weekends (fri-sunday) we run 4 runs, one of each zone with the goal of full clears on every zone and 2 ramparts+boss in Bhaf. Then Monday-Wed we run a late night runs of the same zone 3 times in a row, rotating week to week.

Lotting rights for weekend runs is always based on prior week attendance. a member must attend 3/4 runs the prior week to lot this week. We do this so at any time a LS member can join the group as all drops are going to help the LS.

*Body armor is based on who has choosen the set and can afford it.
*25's are given priority to the ppl that already have a 35 matching

during the Weekday we run Late night so do not always get 6 ppl, We shout for members and since we do shouts the rules are we pick one piece from the run and go after it the whole week. and we make it so we do not ever have to lot with any more then 1 person.


Alexandrites are free lot, cotton Purses are free lot (max 1 per run) and Linen purses are split.

Once a set is complete, the person must go 3 weeks of lotting eligibility then they can change thier main / sub sets. if you choose something others have Mained for a long time They can not lot over them on a key piece. (IE. usukane feet, morrigan body, Ares legs...etc)

The system works for us because we do not scare Ls mates from trying it out, and we do not have greedy people in the LS so even when people have lotting rights they will willingly pass some times for the benefit of the other members or to a member that has been at it for a long time.