Obama is just as corrupt as any other president before him

[Egon]

the premise of this thread is skewed, it presumes that all presidents, or even recent presidents were corrupt

what proof do you have besides rabid conspiracy theorists?

There is never proof. It's always party line politics.

Well when proof is provided, that's what they call it anyway.

[Olo401]

I'm glad we agree.


edit: and just to point out. You weren't calling for a lock before leif posted. But you're right it's all about the multiple threads.

Just to point out, you're either full of shit or can't fucking read. This is from the first page:

First, why make a new thread for this when we already have 2 others, one of which is still on the first page.

[Suited Aces]

There he is.

Yep.. time2lock

I completely agree. It was about the multiple threads. Not trying to silence certain individuals.

[The_Fall_Of_Roy]

I wonder what happened to "hope", "change", and "transparency"...

Hope?
- Obama proclaims the stimulus is needed and will ensure unemployment doesn't hit 8.5%. It's now approaching double digits.
- Climate change bill is rushed through... new reports estimates that the bill will cost 2 million jobs

Change?
- Obama continues Bush surveillance program
- Obama continues Bush movies ahead with Iraq and Afghanistan wars
- Obama closes Gitmo... releases a few... puts a few on trial... leaves the rest locked up...
- Obama's "post-racial" politics translates into more of his racist race card-playing friends doing stupid things followed by Obama personally sticking up for them without facts

Transparency?
- Obama appoints dozens of tzars that are so unaccountable nobody knows what they are doing
- Obama fills his administration will old friends, corrupt Chicago politicians
- In all honesty, nobody asks tough questions during press conferences
- Health care and climate change "town halls" are filled with planted questions (Woman who says she was wiped out by her father's condition and now has to deal with her own = Obama groupie who got ticket through the White House, Little girl reading from a paper "Why are they so mean?" - mother is a big Obama fan)
- Health care "town halls" are filled with 1) ordinary people, 2) left-wing SEIU thugs with reserved front row seats and exclusive side door entrances
- Claims government "option" will compete with private insurance, but remarks dating back to 03-04 have Obama on tape admitting that a government option will phase in a single payer system



I understand why people voted for this guy; hope & change, hope & change... but no offense, you guys didn't get what you voted for.



I almost completely agree (except for the lobbying thing - I don't buy any of that)!

The part that I am actually enjoying the most out of all this is when town hall participants reference portions of the bill and all the democrats can say is "not true" or "Obama wouldn't let that happen". When you get beat by the text in your own bill which you probably didn't read, you deserve to have your efforts to socialize medicine quashed.

And simply opposing everything Obama and the Left do is a completely valid and effective strategy. After all this dust settles, people will be able to choose essentially between the conservative stance and the liberal stance as opposed to the middle of the road stance and the liberal stance. There is nothing Republicans have to gain by compromising. In fact, its the Democrats that you guys have to worry about since with majorities in both the house and the senate, you don't even need to blink when a Republican comes out against the bill.

GB2 Faux News. Hannity needs a new cohost and Glen Beck needs someone to fasten his tinfoil hat on, you'd fit the part.

[ZarakiKujata]

GB2 Faux News. Hannity needs a new cohost and Glen Beck needs someone to fasten his tinfoil hat on, you'd fit the part.

Don't forget someone to toss Bill O'Reilly's salad.

[The_Fall_Of_Roy]

Don't forget someone to toss Bill O'Reilly's salad.

Touche'

[Olo401]

Don't forget someone to toss Bill O'Reilly's salad.

Michelle Malkin would do it.

[ZarakiKujata]

Michelle Malkin would do it.

My point is Leif would too, and I assume hes not a slant like she is so O'Reilly would probably like it more.

[Elvis]

I don't see any President just coming in and saving the day. They have to contend with the institutional pressures in our political system that both shape and set the parameters for what is possible.

So corrupt? I think that's missing the point. Policy is shaped much more by vested interests, identity politics, and the economy. All power structures - in our case, the 'American State' (political entity, abstraction - 'the Government') - such as ours are benign evils.

[eunhye]

Is Obama's promise of transparency broken? - Aug. 14, 2009

Here's what we still don't know:

1. How are banks using TARP funds?
2. Who are bailed out banks lending to?
3. What is the value of the assets that Treasury has accumulated as a result of TARP?
4. Where are stimulus funds ultimately going?

They're important questions: We want the government to ensure it is spending our money wisely, and experts want to know why the Obama administration won't provide the answers.

i can't make this up!

[Olo401]

1 & 2 are the same easy answer - they're not using bailout funds for anything. They're letting the money sit on their books as income so they can show a quarterly profit and get the stock to go up. You can than Hank Paulson for this sham btw.

3 can't be answered until the assets are ultimately sold, so this may take a while.

4 is answered by reading the damn stimulus legislation, or by watching the people who are going back to work repairing roads, sidewalks, highways, bridges, etc.

[Demosthenes11]

5 For some reason I'm giving Obama the benefit of the doubt about everything when the leader of the party I believe in should be receiving more scrutiny from me than any president of opposite ideology

Seriously, at least try and get what you voted for instead of making excuses every turn.

[Olo401]

If you're going to insult me Demo, don't make shit up. I answered each point realistically, unlike you who use it as just another excuse to project your own sorry lack of facts or debating ability onto me.

[Demosthenes11]

based on the fact you think Obama is doing a good job, I don't think I need to argue with you. Obama not delivering on promises = bad job, I'm sorry

[The_Fall_Of_Roy]

based on the fact you think Obama is doing a good job, I don't think I need to argue with you. Obama not delivering on promises = bad job, I'm sorry

Uhg God, way to judge prematurely. I suppose you think Bush was better?

[Demosthenes11]

Uhg God, way to judge prematurely. I suppose you think Bush was better?

logic tip: saying someone is bad is not a comparative

[Kuya]

If Obama had intended transperency, i don't know why he picked Geithner.

[The_Fall_Of_Roy]

logic tip: saying someone is bad is not a comparative

Translation:

I'm cool with president Bush.

[guartz]

This thread proves that bias is on both sides.

[Olo401]

based on the fact you think Obama is doing a good job, I don't think I need to argue with you. Obama not delivering on promises = bad job, I'm sorry

The subject of my reply was how the TARP funds were being used, not whether or not Obama was keeping his campaign promises. You felt the need to bring something completely unrelated into the discussion and add to it baseless insinuations. TWICE.

In other words, you tried to start an argument. You didn't just feel the need. You acted on it.

And for the record, it is far too early to make ANY judgment on whether he's doing a good job on the economy or not. He's got eight years of Bush deliberately fucking everything up to undo - That doesn't just get undone in six months.. And the one piece of economic legislation he's received from Congress still has 18 months of work ahead of it.