Obama is just as corrupt as any other president before him

[Rhinox]

Second sentence: This will benefit the rich mostly, and the poorest people will still not have medical. Also, the final bill will be so watered down/pork laden as to be near useless.

How cynical of you. while I personally wouldn't be surprised if it was watered down we'll see what happens. Although not sure how this healthcare bill would have any "Pork" in it.

[Beckwin]

"pork" might be the biggest bullshit term in politics atm.

[Olo401]

it's like there is no accountability any more

Support Obama or you are sleeping with Hitler

But I thought Obama WAS Hitler?

Oh right.. that's just what the extra crispy Lyndon Larouche supporters think. Or at least that's what going around.

[Olo401]

First sentence: Obama is a career politician, he has nothing new to bring to the table, and never did. Anyone who believed in his "Change" message was a sucker.

Second sentence: This will benefit the rich mostly, and the poorest people will still not have medical. Also, the final bill will be so watered down/pork laden as to be near useless.

Man where to start with this..

Career politican.. really? The man barely 10 years of elected political experience in his 48 years. His career was in community organization, and I imagine he only went into the IL state legislature as an extension of that mission.

And if a bill is produced that is either of those things, I expect Obama to veto it since it doesn't meet the conditions he laid out.

[Olo401]

Hey guys. Did you know in 2003 Republicans overwhelmingly voted for "Death panels"?

well its true. Just further proves how the GOP is full of shit and wants to fuck over this country who flag they proudly wrap themselves with.

GOP Supported End-of-Life Counseling in 2003 Medicare Bill - Swampland - TIME.com

Okay I need to address something here. So for a few moments...

Can we take a break from calling people Nazis? Thanks.

I think end-of-life counseling is actually a good thing because I know I'm not the only person out there who has a severe anxiety about death. I don't usually share this with other people.. because it scares the fuck out of me to even think about it, but it makes me feel better to at least talk about it with someone. I have to admit I don't think I'll ever be able to face the moment it finally comes for me. But maybe though discussing it with someone else I and others could.

I give the Republicans credit for thinking about the subject in 2003, and I give them credit for it now (since it was a Republican who thought to put this item into the debate). The uproar and distortions that have come up in regards to it are a real shame, and I imagine some of the people out there who are riled up on the whole "death panel" misinformation are people like myself who have end-of-life anxiety.

[The_Fall_Of_Roy]

How cynical of you. while I personally wouldn't be surprised if it was watered down we'll see what happens. Although not sure how this healthcare bill would have any "Pork" in it.

Yea, I'm not really seeing hows this could get fucked up. Its pretty simple and direct.

[eunhye]

Sebelius: Public Health Care Option "Not The Essential Element"

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says Obama still believes there should be choice and competition" in the health insurance market -- but that a public option is "not the essential element."

better

[Rhinox]

Caving in to republican pressure would be political suicide. I see a rephrasing in the future by the press secretary in the morning.

[Kuya]

Caving in to Republicans is the Democrats' raison d'être.

[Rhinox]

tell that to the true progressives like Ted Kennedy and Dennis Kucinich along with Bernie sanders and everyone that fought for Civil rights in the 60's.

[Day]

Okay I need to address something here. So for a few moments...

Can we take a break from calling people Nazis? Thanks.

I think end-of-life counseling is actually a good thing because I know I'm not the only person out there who has a severe anxiety about death. I don't usually share this with other people.. because it scares the fuck out of me to even think about it, but it makes me feel better to at least talk about it with someone. I have to admit I don't think I'll ever be able to face the moment it finally comes for me. But maybe though discussing it with someone else I and others could.

I give the Republicans credit for thinking about the subject in 2003, and I give them credit for it now (since it was a Republican who thought to put this item into the debate). The uproar and distortions that have come up in regards to it are a real shame, and I imagine some of the people out there who are riled up on the whole "death panel" misinformation are people like myself who have end-of-life anxiety.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZmUzMtPLcE

[Cyn]

Okay I need to address something here. So for a few moments...

Can we take a break from calling people Nazis? Thanks.

I think end-of-life counseling is actually a good thing because I know I'm not the only person out there who has a severe anxiety about death. I don't usually share this with other people.. because it scares the fuck out of me to even think about it, but it makes me feel better to at least talk about it with someone. I have to admit I don't think I'll ever be able to face the moment it finally comes for me. But maybe though discussing it with someone else I and others could.

I give the Republicans credit for thinking about the subject in 2003, and I give them credit for it now (since it was a Republican who thought to put this item into the debate). The uproar and distortions that have come up in regards to it are a real shame, and I imagine some of the people out there who are riled up on the whole "death panel" misinformation are people like myself who have end-of-life anxiety.

Your level of fear for death sounds irrational. Maybe you should try seeing a psychiatrist about it.

[Headspace]

Your level of fear for death sounds irrational. Maybe you should try seeing a psychiatrist about it.

or a panel.

[Kuya]

tell that to the true progressives like Ted Kennedy and Dennis Kucinich along with Bernie sanders and everyone that fought for Civil rights in the 60's.

A painful minority at this point. Need i remind you of the Guantanamo prisoners episode.

[Kuya]

Or that stimulus bill that they watered down and the republicans still voted against it. Or that cap and trade bill they watered down and the republicans still voted against it. Or that asistence to home owners they watered down and the republicans still voted against it (i think).

I think i'm seeing a pattern here.

[archibaldcrane]

Kuya is right. Unless they are getting backstabbed (ala Blue Dogs), the Democrats need to realize they have a 2 (now 1.5) year window in which they can enact the plan that they actually want, and take advantage of that. There is -no point- to giving the Republicans -any- voice or clout at the moment - the Republicans don't have a plan, they don't have an agenda, other than "oppose everything Obama is trying to accomplish regardless of merit as hard as possible to improve chances in 2010". That's it.

[Olo401]

Your level of fear for death sounds irrational. Maybe you should try seeing a psychiatrist about it.

I've thought about it actually..

[Sirrus_Asura]

I've thought about it actually..

Wanna talk about it? (Not even joking)

[Kuya]

Actually, fear and anxiety over one's death is pretty rational, but it usually happens at a much older age. In effect, not thinking about one's inevitable demise is more of a characteristic of the inmature. Of teenagers. The point is to get over it eventually. You most certainly don't need a psychiatrist, you'd need a therapist but only if it actually got in the way of your usual routine in life.

[BRP]

Pretty sure the common pattern is:

Early Childhood: Very little fear of death (don't have a solid grasp on it.)
Teens: Fear of death develops, but then subsides eventually.
Middle Aged: Fear of death returns and it is stronger than before.
Final years of life: Fear of death may dissipate entirely. ("Acceptance" or whatever. It is based on how well you lived your life. Cowardly folk will probably die miserably.)

EDIT: Then again there is always memento mori.