Cataclysm Thread (New Expansion)

[Korietsu]

I've run a variety of comps through S2-Now. I've quit playing wow for a short time cause I was burned out with raiding/pvp. S2 I was running double frost, S3 Mage/Rogue and Mage/Boomkin. S4 I quit because of the shitty server/raids. S5 I was runing Mage/Shadowdance, This season before I quit, I was running Mage/Mut-Prep or Shadowdance. I was planning to get a buddy of mine on board to run Destro/Frost, but I got burned out before I had the chance.

3v3 is just who cleaves the fastest and the comp is pretty much wizard cleave vs cleave cleave.

I had almost no problems burning paladins down while I was playing because I had been ganking the gay holy/rets and prothealadins while leveling on top of paladins being my main gank world pvp targets for the longest time back from BC. Dealing with preists/druids/shamans is just a pain in the ass. Too many dispels/purges and escapes and having to count on critting every spell in a chain pretty much makes it shitty attempting to kill them

[Plow]

It's probably the class itself, but I can't juke out a lot of dps because their damage output is too much.

This pretty much sums up all the current issues with PVP, imo.

Skill has been entirely removed and replaced with dps vs hps and connection speed vs connection speed.


When you can't juke shit because someone will die in the time it takes, the shit's just fucked.


Also, lol @ people playing rogue/mage or rmp and bitching about either winning in the first 30 seconds or losing. What the fuck did you think you were setting up for?

[Dezzimal]

The whole, my partners are dead, I can't do anything is the group based example.

"I'm in arena with my team trying to kill a healer, but my team is dead" does not constitute group PvP. What happened prior to that does, however.

3v3 is just who cleaves the fastest and the comp is pretty much wizard cleave vs cleave cleave.

I'm sure you'll cite the blizzcon tournament as evidence cleave is overpowered, but rogue mage priest is your bread and butter in that bracket and the only thing holding you back from getting gladiator as that comp is teamwork. Your personal experience doesn't count for much as evidence as we've already determined that you are not an unbiased party that can look at the whole picture.

Mages have no effective ways with dealing with healers in and out of group combat.

Hyperbole much? All ranged have a difficult time sticking to healers that can just LoS them. Your class doesn't bring the damage necessary to solo a healer, however you do bring the control necessary to allow your partners the freedom to help set up a kill in which you can throw some assisting damage. End of discussion imo.

[Korietsu]

"I'm in arena with my team trying to kill a healer, but my team is dead" does not constitute group PvP. What happened prior to that does, however.

I'm sure you'll cite the blizzcon tournament as evidence cleave is overpowered, but rogue mage priest is your bread and butter in that bracket and the only thing holding you back from getting gladiator as that comp is teamwork. Your personal experience doesn't count for much as evidence as we've already determined that you are not an unbiased party that can look at the whole picture.

Hyperbole much? All ranged have a difficult time sticking to healers that can just LoS them. Your class doesn't bring the damage necessary to solo a healer, however you do bring the control necessary to allow your partners the freedom to help set up a kill in which you can throw some assisting damage. End of discussion imo.

I don't have to cite the blizzcon tournament as evidence. I'm sure that you could cite all of the other tournaments that are behind the live realms saying that RMP is OP. Go take a look at SK-100/Realm History. There's quite a few more "cleave cleave" than RMP or Wizard Cleave. The tournaments aren't a real indication of what's happening out in the live realms.

As I said before, my beef is that I can play a flawless game, and still not win, and have to sit out a 30 min drinking and running fest so that I can win by attrition, which is bullshit. I have to play as a sitting duck, my MS is only a cover for the resilience changes. Bump up frost damage by 10% and we'll be working along the lines of balance, or hell, giving the other two specs the option of competitive PvP play, and we'd might see many of the mage PvP complaints go away.

[Dezzimal]

Your class isn't meant to have the tools necessary to kill a fleeing healer on its own. It is really that simple. It sucks when you get in to a drinking match, RMP isn't an easy comp to master but when you do there aren't many compositions that are going to consistently beat you because of the comp they picked.

[Kyreth]

I want to gank low level on my flying mount now. Too bad I'm on pve server

City raids are going to be tripping now. No more riding through the city streets- just fly in and out.

[Norellicus]

City raids are going to be tripping now. No more riding through the city streets- just fly in and out.

Bet they'll incorporate the guards like they did in BC - they aggro air and will hit you with a dismount-stun to prevent this kind of thing.

[Eaglestrike]

I don't have to cite the blizzcon tournament as evidence. I'm sure that you could cite all of the other tournaments that are behind the live realms saying that RMP is OP. Go take a look at SK-100/Realm History. There's quite a few more "cleave cleave" than RMP or Wizard Cleave. The tournaments aren't a real indication of what's happening out in the live realms.

As I said before, my beef is that I can play a flawless game, and still not win, and have to sit out a 30 min drinking and running fest so that I can win by attrition, which is bullshit. I have to play as a sitting duck, my MS is only a cover for the resilience changes. Bump up frost damage by 10% and we'll be working along the lines of balance, or hell, giving the other two specs the option of competitive PvP play, and we'd might see many of the mage PvP complaints go away.

Honestly? Fuck frost mages. They're the only class I have no chance in a 1v1 situation (I know, not a good representation of PvP, etc. etc.) You're one of the most defensive and CC capable classes in the damn game. You're not there to do more damage than everyone else, you're there to set the kill up. A frost mage has so many "outs" and so many defenses it's crazy.

[Boyiee]

So, all of you bitching about arenas and comps and LOL1v1's that don't really matter...

What are you arena ratings?

Cause really, unless you are 2300 minimum, you shouldn't be having this discussion.

[Eaglestrike]

How about 2180ish as a Prot pally DPS in S6 (is s6 now? whatever this season is) Does that count as anything? They nerfed me to useless halfway through the season, but yeah...I was trying for a while!

[Skyylya]

makes me laugh with all the people that whine about lore this and lore that.

personally and I might be the minority, i just want a fun game to play. If it doesn't make sense according to some fictional story who gives a fuck.

i've only been playing wow for maybe a year so i never got to experience vanilla wow and the only time i even really got to see the zones was leveling my first toon, after that it was specified area's.

i'm pretty excited to be able to go back and explore the mainlands and old dungeons and raids that nobody ever does anymore since they got their achievement for it.

[Lbelle]

I was looking at the new maps for Cata the other day and I thought to myself, this is going to be cool to focus on Eastern Kingdoms/Kalimdor again instead of running off to far off places to fight crazy bad guys. I'm glad they're returning us to our routes in this expansion.

[Norellicus]

I was looking at the new maps for Cata the other day and I thought to myself, this is going to be cool to focus on Eastern Kingdoms/Kalimdor again instead of running off to far off places to fight crazy bad guys. I'm glad they're returning us to our routes in this expansion.

Not being a nazi, just trying to make sure I understood what you meant -- routes = roots?

[Jodwahh]

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/u...ammar-nazi.jpg

I kid I kid.

[Meresgi]

makes me laugh with all the people that whine about lore this and lore that.

personally and I might be the minority, i just want a fun game to play. If it doesn't make sense according to some fictional story who gives a fuck.

A lot of us play the game FOR the story. Otherwise id be playing Madden NFL. Stories are what drive games and capture people and let them believe they are part of the world they play in for the time. Would Zelda or God of War II have sold well or stayed around if all you did was mindlessly beat on things for no reason?

It just unhinges any immersion when the story goes from having a well written background to being "lulz flying spaceship goats and pew pew snowball lasers".

[Skyylya]

A lot of us play the game FOR the story. Otherwise id be playing Madden NFL. Stories are what drive games and capture people and let them believe they are part of the world they play in for the time. Would Zelda or God of War II have sold well or stayed around if all you did was mindlessly beat on things for no reason?

It just unhinges any immersion when the story goes from having a well written background to being "lulz flying spaceship goats and pew pew snowball lasers".

enjoying the story and nitpicking every little detail that the people who write the story might change or have a little creative license with is different imo.

i enjoy the wow story, i've enjoyed the warcraft stories since the first one came out, but stories progress just because they are changing the story today doesn't mean the story of then isn't what it was.

[Galkaeater]

I wonder what the new races dances will be

I can see the male worgans dance being thriller

[Norellicus]

I wonder what the new races dances will be

I can see the male worgans dance being thriller

LOL

That would be so amazing

[Thuronn]

I wonder what the new races dances will be

I can see the male worgans dance being thriller

Seems that it'd be the undeads new dance.

[brisk]

I would seriously reroll if Worgen's dance is Thriller