Actual Relic information thread?

[Cutriss]

Mjollnir - BGWiki
Randgrith - BGWiki

I expect everything I've updated here to be stolen and put on otherwiki within 5 minutes.

You might want to use better example numbers. Your example doesn't make it clear whether or not the aftermath is tiered on TP levels. You provide 150/225 (225 = 150% of 150) as examples, and the resulting aftermath of 30/45 (45 = 150% of 30) seconds. I would guess based on everything else I know about this game that the aftermath is 30/45/60 based on 100/200/300, but what you've posted doesn't clearly indicate that one way or the other.

[Izzy]

You might want to use better example numbers. Your example doesn't make it clear whether or not the aftermath is tiered on TP levels. You provide 150/225 (225 = 150% of 150) as examples, and the resulting aftermath of 30/45 (45 = 150% of 30) seconds. I would guess based on everything else I know about this game that the aftermath is 30/45/60 based on 100/200/300, but what you've posted doesn't clearly indicate that one way or the other.

100%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 20 sec.
200%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 40 sec.
300%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 60 sec.

Accuracy bonus duration scales depending on how much TP you have. For example, a 150TP WS will grant you accuracy +20 for 30 seconds. A 225TP WS will grant you +20 accuracy for 45 seconds.

I thought it was pretty clear Q_Q?

[DAKPluto]

Saying I was able to do 1118 damage on a normal swing of Apoc is worthless info if it was done on a 1Fl Rampart chigoe =p.

I wish I still had the screenshot, our Bravura WAR had a 2500 non-critical regular hit on one of those chigoes once.

[TripleX]

Gjallarhorn's Hidden Aftermath: Come to LS's events as Bard more.

[Eleven19]

Gjallarhorn's Hidden Aftermath: Come to LS's events as Bard forever.

Fixed.

[Cutriss]

I thought it was pretty clear Q_Q?

ITT: I lern how to reed.

[Shamaya]

Here's a summary of information on Mandau, posted about a year ago. I've heard conflicting facts about the poison, and there doesn't seem to really be a consensus on it or much of discussion really. Same w/ the 3x proc. I think it's generally accepted as 5% but I haven't seen anyone go out and actually make samples for that.

shamayaasura: Mandau Facts and Ponderings

Mandau:
-Weaponskill aftermath gives enhanced critical hit rate. Again, no samples on the precise number. But my crit rate seems to be about 14-16% generally in a merit party setting. I'd say it shows up 2-3% higher on the parse than pre-Mandau. Of course, the aftermath isn't always on. And in addition, w/ Mandau you tend to do less free sa/ta, which also register on parsed crit rate. I'd say the usual 5% is a safe ballpark estimate on this as well. No idea if it can bring you above the cap of 24% (w/ 4 crit merits).
-Highest SA 3x: about 1120 on a piercing exp mob
-Highest TA 3x: over 800 on a piercing exp mob

[Theenabler]

Forgive me if I'm wrong Gtype, but didn't you claim to have a Spharai on BG not too long ago?

[Taint]

One thing missing from Apoc is Catastrophe goes through Shadows, its a very nice function when applicable.

[Malacite]

I don't own an Apoc but wiki claims triple dmg on the super crits and last I heard Catastrophe drains 50% of the damage done.

>.> can't someone who owns one *points at Kirschy* just pin all the info down and post irrefutable conclusions?


Also, that 9k damage has got to be on a barrage doesn't it? Gotta specify these things. Not because people are stupid (and some are) but if this thread is about detailed information in regards to these weapons I would hope those posting the information would be thorough with the details.

[thetruepandagod]

Claustrum
- additional effect of attack down on Gates of Tartarus is 18.75%
- additional effect of dispel on melee hits seems a little higher then 10%

everything else is already known

[Rhealana]

Gungnir:
2x damage proc about 10% as observed by other 2h relic owners.
Defense weakening is lower than Angon, but it can overwrites it.
It can also overwrite itself, renewing the timer. Lasts 30 seconds.

Geirskogul shock spikes are potent, damage-wise, dealing 10-20 damage. Stun proc about 20% of the time against Dynamis MNK mobs, not sure what the calculations are but it usually takes between 1-5 attacks by the hundred fisting MNK on me to be stunned. Usually end up being in the red.. or dead. Geirskogul in general is just not worth using unless you're /THF.

[Taint]

I don't own an Apoc but wiki claims triple dmg on the super crits and last I heard Catastrophe drains 50% of the damage done.

>.> can't someone who owns one *points at Kirschy* just pin all the info down and post irrefutable conclusions?

It is x2 and the drain has quite a large range 30-80% or so.

[Kirschy]

I don't own an Apoc but wiki claims triple dmg on the super crits and last I heard Catastrophe drains 50% of the damage done.

>.> can't someone who owns one *points at Kirschy* just pin all the info down and post irrefutable conclusions?


Also, that 9k damage has got to be on a barrage doesn't it? Gotta specify these things. Not because people are stupid (and some are) but if this thread is about detailed information in regards to these weapons I would hope those posting the information would be thorough with the details.

It's definetly 2x damage. If you SA too weak mobs and get a relic proc crit, you'll never do more than 385 damage (w/o SE.)

(103[DMG] + 19[fSTR Cap]) * 2[Relic Proc] * 3.15[2H Crit pdif high] = 384.3

If the mob has a weakness to slashing damage or melee damage in general you'll do higher. But SAing Lv1 mobs outside starter towns is the normal test.

The ~50% drain is reasonable, it fluctuates a bit though.

As mentioned by Taint, Catastrophe goes through Utsusemi blink, but not mage blink. (Does not work on Third Eye either.)

Are we going to keep track of this info in a post/thread? OG poster should be being using edits -_- or start a new thread or something. I'll be more than happy to provide SS/Evidence to give the thread some rigor.

[Nightmarelord]

i totally thought 2h weaps were x2.5 dmg. maybe my math is off.. wish i has sum screen shots

[gulnar]

I'll contribute the more obvious to this thread before I ask my question which I am sure someone can answer

Aegis:
-25% Magic DMG taken,
Augments Shield Bash (higher dmg, usually 223-240 on most mobs)
Shield Block proc rate ???%

I used to block 55-60% of the time with Aegis
(excluding a certain period when Aegis was broken and the block rate was more like 80% without reprisal and high 90s% with reprisal, but it was nerfed back down soon afterwards)

However, since returning to the game, I have noticed Aegis is blocking closer to 35-45%. Can anyone else verify they have noticed a dramatic drop in block rate?

[Nightmarelord]

As mentioned by Taint, Catastrophe goes through Utsusemi blink.

Why doesnt kaiten do that?

[Milkster]

Apoc is Godly is why.

[Kirschy]

Why doesnt kaiten do that?

Was a pvp thing. Some 2H are 2.5 like GKT~

[tymora]

Claustrum
- additional effect of attack down on Gates of Tartarus is 18.75%
- additional effect of dispel on melee hits seems a little higher then 10%

everything else is already known

Dispel rate seems to depend on level or int? mnd? difference. Kicks in very often in campaign but kinda lazy to measure the rates. Can also dispel ZNM marid's def up move - Was meleeing that for fun one day. (Tusk?)