SAM self sc with Gkey setup

[psubond]

i was wondering how you handle using windower macros for YGK type self s/c. i would prefer to keep it all in the init file and not use in game FFXI macros to pull it off but i can't get it to work.

the second ws doesn't fire for me. i'm trying to use the G15 binder and my gear swaps all work great on the Gkeys as do any JA or WS i put in there but the wait command and the second ws are messing me up.

i use alias m1g13 input /equipwhateverslot/gear;input /ws "Tachi: Y";input /wait 5; input ws "Tachi: G"; but it doesn't fire off the sc. the second ws never activates and i get no error message. everything is spelled out correctly and the gear all swaps normally and the first ws fires no problem.

any help would be greatly appreciated. again i want to keep everything in the init.txt and would prefer to avoid spellcast until i can learn to use it better (currently messing with that to learn how to use it)

[Narse]

Don't have "input /wait", just do "wait", input /wait would be like having /wait in your macro, it doesn't tell the windower script to wait though. For that, you just have 'wait'.

[psubond]

Don't have "input /wait", just do "wait", input /wait would be like having /wait in your macro, it doesn't tell the windower script to wait though. For that, you just have 'wait'.

so it'd be input /equipallmyshit;input /ws whateverwsineed;wait 5;input /ws whateverthesecondwsis; ?

[hagun]

/wait x in windower macro is pause x where x is an integer.

Example, make a file called sc.txt and put this into it:

exec wsgear.txt
input /ws Gekko
pause 5
input /ws Yuki

The line "exec wsgear.txt" calls up another windower macro file of your WS gear. I like to keep things neat.

[hypnotizd]

Maybe I'm being woooooshed but I don't see you using Sekkanoki or Meikyo Shisui. How are you getting another 100%TP?

It should be setup like
/equipallmyshit;input /ja Sekkanoki;wait 1;input /ws whichever;wait 5;input /ws secondws;

[[Vax]]

I'd assume he has a different macro that he hits prior to this one that activates Sekkanoki.. but you never know :/

Also.. I'd think using 2 different G.macros for 2 different WSs wouldn't be that hard.. as a SAM shouldn't each WS have it's own macro regardless if it's a G15 or not?

It's funny because the time spent failing @ windower macros outweighs the time it takes to press a 2nd button.

[psubond]

i have a second macro to make sure i have the TP for the self sc.

also, i don't mind failing a little in my spare time and learning how to use windower macros to be as efficient as possible in battle. it's not like i don't have time to play with it when i'm farting around in campaign or idling in wg with flag up.


once i get the self sc properly working without using ingame macro lines i'll look into making the whole thing a one push deal.

[hagun]

I agree with Vax, you are better off having separate WS macros as lag can be a huge deal breaker. To each his own though.

[[Vax]]

True.. I guess I just wouldn't like pressing 1 button and sitting back and watching :/ The game is pretty low-involvement as it is.

The other reason I'd have to say is because there have been situations where I need to pop third eye between my 2 WS. If they were scripted together, than it's highly likely that using 3rd eye will error out your 2nd WS command. My SAM was often tanking, so, yeah... you get the point.

Either way, to each his own, right :D

edit: LOL! We each said to each his own.. didn't even know you posted just before me xD

[Atoreis]

I suggest dont use macro for self SC at all. Why?

1. Mob can move and target will be out of range or on your sides or back and you will lost TP or Ws wont go off
2. You can be stunned, drawed in or another cool thing that will broke SC from macro

Using macro for each Ws will prevent this. You can run after mob or turn to him and fire 2nd WS or try to fire 2nd WS after stun go off.

[[Vax]]

I suggest dont use macro for self SC at all. Why?

1. Mob can move and target will be out of range or on your sides or back and you will lost TP or Ws wont go off
2. You can be stunned, drawed in or another cool thing that will broke SC from macro

Using macro for each Ws will prevent this. You can run after mob or turn to him and fire 2nd WS or try to fire 2nd WS after stun go off.

Well... #2 is kind of a deal breaker either way. The macro will be interrupted, yes, but you probably wouldn't be able to save the skillchain either way.

I completly agree with #1 though. More so of the mob spinning around and fucking up overwhelm though.. or SWGuivre.... xD

[psubond]

well, this thread was more about they syntax of the macros than should/shouldn't on putting it in one macro. if it works out to where it's ineffective i'll adjust as needed. just learning how to write it to do what i currently want it to do so i know how to do it.

[cdgreg]

I think someone already said it, but ya in the G15 macro .txt file it'd look like this as a quick example off the top of my head. I know you can also do ; or whatever as most people do, I've just always done it line by line since it's easier for me to read.

input /ma stoneskin <me>
wait 8
input /ma blink <me>

[arus2001]

Maybe I'm being woooooshed but I don't see you using Sekkanoki or Meikyo Shisui. How are you getting another 100%TP?

It should be setup like
/equipallmyshit;input /ja Sekkanoki;wait 1;input /ws whichever;wait 5;input /ws secondws;

Well, assuming he's not 2 houring there are a couple ways. Easiest is with Soboro.

Get 100% TP and shortly before your next swing, pop Med and immediately WS. If you're quick enough, Med's first tick will kick in after the WS leaving you at 37 TP (unless your 6-hit set up is different than mine). You should attack soon after, putting you at anywhere between 53 and 86ish TP depending on how Soboro decided to attack. Meditate kicks in again, pop your WS, and basically hope for another DA or TA. Getting a 140-160 TP return on Med can help cover on a missed hit, but sometimes you can still botch the timing one way or another.

Alternative methods can involve things like Jump/High Jump from /DRG, landing a full Barrage when /RNG, or probably something else quirky I'm overlooking, but I don't think you'll ever get a triple SC out of these methods without Sekkanoki or MS.

[Martinius]

theoretically, if you time it REALLY well, and get very very lucky with soboro procs and a 160 mediate (i think you can get 180 if your head and hands both proc 40's, but that's anecdotal at best. i could swear i've hit 180, but it's rare as hell if it is even possible), with /drg, i could see a self-light get off. i've been able to self-light with double march, haste and /war only twice, both in excavation duty with a soboro pre-sekkanoki. i wouldn't count on it tho.

and repeating what everyone else has said... use different macros for each ws. lag alone can blow your macro, to say nothing of mobs moving position/distance. in fact, it would be downright dangerous on something like long bowed chariot where you could risk not moving fast enough to avoid causing homing missile.

[[Vax]]

With a Soboro, as long as you get a 2&3 hit proc, you can SC without meditate lol. It's like a 1/20 chance to get double and triple in a row or 2 triple's but meh. It's worth trying for if your using that lolGK anyways.

Throw in haste & marches and some good haste gear, you can solo SC with any 450 delay GK.

Soboro + meditate = skillchain as long as it procs a double or tripple at least once out of 2 swings.

And wow, I forgot about the ol /rng + speed bow/arco + barrage trick haha. That shit is oldschool <3

theoretically, if you time it REALLY well, and get very very lucky with soboro procs and a 160 mediate (i think you can get 180 if your head and hands both proc 40's, but that's anecdotal at best. i could swear i've hit 180, but it's rare as hell if it is even possible), with /drg, i could see a self-light get off. i've been able to self-light with double march, haste and /war only twice, both in excavation duty with a soboro pre-sekkanoki. i wouldn't count on it tho.

With /drg, doing solo light is very very simple. Med -> WS -> wait for Soboro proc. Was it a single hit? If yes, wait for the 2nd swing. Was that a single hit? If so, jump -> close 1st part of sc. If your soboro proc'd a 2 or 3 and you still have jump, use both jumps now and close light. if you used jump, hope that your next swing is a double or tripple or that your high jump will proc double or tripple. close light. This doesn't require haste.

180% TP meditates, i've always assumed, are a glitch with timing, just like getting an 80% or 120% before Myochin Kabuto and 120%'s with kabuto&gloves. Hate when that happens.

[arus2001]

I've always kinda hammered it into my head that "solo SC" equates to no other outside help like Haste [Samba] or Marches. But yeah, having them certainly makes things easier. Hasso helped out a little, too.

[[Vax]]

I guess so.. then you are pretty much doomed to Soboro + meditate to reliably solo skillchains, or Hagun + /drg

[Brigandier]

I really doubt you could make a macro that would do this reliably. Meditate seems to work off an internal 'tick' the game has (which is the reason med gives 120 to 140 randomly with AF1 hat).

So, the way to do this *reliably* is to sacrifice a tick of Meditate for the purpose of finding out exactly when the next tick is going to be. To do that, you would do the following:

1. Have at least 80TP, use Meditate. If you have 100TP when you do this, DO NOT WS IMMEDIATELY
2. Depending on when that internal 'tick' is, meditate may give you 20TP immediately, or wait half a second or so. Either way, watch for it closely. After you see it happen, it's very easy to estimate when the next tick is going to happen.
3. WS just before that next tick. If it is done properly, it will appear your WS gave you back 35+ TP. This is even a bit flexible, you may see your normal TP value for a tenth of a second before med ticks on top of it, and still catch the self SC.
4. Spam the holy fucking hell out of the WS macro you plan to chain with.
5. Enjoy, with practice you can easily pull a Frag off reliably every time you have meditate available. I do this with Hagun all the time, no Soboro required.

Edit: No haste or haste gear is really required to do this, I pull it off as SAM/DNC on lesser colibris all day.

[Atoreis]

With Soboro its fairly easy to pull of self light solo but for best results ( by best i dont mean dmg on ws but success on light SC ) i'm doing it on hasso and with haste gear on yuki and gekko.