What's Better?

[Limlight]

mdt build is more about how often are you really on pld. Is it a fad or are you one of the main tanks/back ups for your shell (be honest). For stuff like ouryu/ultima/tiamat/etc its invaluable. but lugging all that in storage if you're a main rdm with a sudden hard on for pld is a bit silly.

but yea curecheats ftw I couldn't live without them.

[richardd]

i got a DRK question.

just out of curiousity. i saw this question pop up and i was wondering myself, but (to the math ppl out there) will ares legs outperform onyx legs or hecatomb at merit camps like Jade? And will they outperform them on soft, low def HNMs like DI or sky gods?

i was always under the assumption that the attack would make it more consistent on merit mobs, which is what i shoot for 1st. and ares wouldve just given better peaks. but since ares has 6 STR, it probably wouldve done better on HNMs. especially if you are in a Spiral hell mood.

edit: i should've specified, scythe user. if the spiral hell comment wasnt obvious enough lol. i know ares would win with GS since they got 1 hitters.

[Aresfury]

1. I think the first person is confusing evasion skill with the meritable evasion skill improvements which give 2 skill per step.

2. This has been suggested but not proven because there really is no way to know for sure. It makes sense but there are other skill stats that do not scale in the same manner.

I would suggest that even if that were the case, evasion skill may have some effect on level correction or other aspects of accuracy that evasion itself would not effect. This would mean that the more skill you have would mean that you have a better chance to evade a mob with a higher level than you while evasion would have diminishing returns on mobs that are higher level than you. In other words, it could mean that for accuracy corrections the game looks at skill vs. skill to determine what the correction is before determining whether the hit will land or not.

I have no proof of this assertion at all, it's just what I always theorized as to why evasion skill seemed to improve the ability to avoid attacks more than straight evasion.

Take those ideas for what you will... /shrug

Thanks so much for that reply^^
I was thinking along the same lines, but I am hoping someone has some kind of numbers/parse/whatever to show some indication either way
It is things like this, th, etc. that drive me a bit insane about this game.

[kamugi]

If you got a 4str 5acc ring would you sell toreaders and use it with rajas or keep toreaders for tp and just use it to WS?
(Im so mad its 5 acc and not 6 I could scream.... )

[Yugl]

If you got a 4str 5acc ring would you sell toreaders and use it with rajas or keep toreaders for tp and just use it to WS?
(Im so mad its 5 acc and not 6 I could scream.... )

What's your current ACC? If it caps you ACC, then the extra ACC is wasted anyways. If you don't know your ACC, post your total DEX, ACC from gear (Note: Don't convert DEX on gear into ACC), Merits, and current skill.

[cpu]

If you got a 4str 5acc ring would you sell toreaders and use it with rajas or keep toreaders for tp and just use it to WS?
(Im so mad its 5 acc and not 6 I could scream.... )

Yeah, I'd wear it just for the cool factor and the fact that the 3mil that could be spent on some other more relevant upgrade than +2 acc -4 str.

[kamugi]

What's your current ACC? If it caps you ACC, then the extra ACC is wasted anyways. If you don't know your ACC, post your total DEX, ACC from gear (Note: Don't convert DEX on gear into ACC), Merits, and current skill.

I have war pld and drk 75, gear wise I have pcc, cuchu mantle, assault earring, haidate, swift belt, haubergeon+1, fire bomblet, homam pants/boots, askar gloves, aurum boots. My war and drk I keep at capped acc for meriting, dont really fight anything hard per say, and toreaders is my second pld ring lol. Id miss it there more then on other stuff. Its just the only thing I could do with the gil is like buy hermes boots (I have 900k so far for these anyway), put gil towards a speed belt, or gil towards a relic I'd probably never be able to afford in 5 years.


edited; have homam pants not gloves

[Yugl]

I have war pld and drk 75, gear wise I have pcc, cuchu mantle, assault earring, haidate, swift belt, haubergeon+1, fire bomblet, homam gloves/boots, askar gloves, aurum boots. My war and drk I keep at capped acc for meriting, dont really fight anything hard per say, and toreaders is my second pld ring lol. Id miss it there more then on other stuff. Its just the only thing I could do with the gil is like buy hermes boots (I have 900k so far for these anyway), put gil towards a speed belt, or gil towards a relic I'd probably never be able to afford in 5 years.

If it's a question of gil usage rather than stats difference, I would sell the ring and buy the hermes (Useful for kite tanking on DRK).

[Bozo]

BST Rampage: Haub(+1 in the future), N.Body, or Skadi's Cuirie? Been told Haub/+1 but also saw someone use N.body in another guide. Skadi I have from COR and wasn't sure if it would be better than the alternatives for Rampage.

BST TP: Askar Zuchetto or Turban?

Planning on capping axe merits when my BST is 75.

[Furionstormrage]

@Despain: A MDT/MDB set is very useful for PLD, get the IR gear as you can, use your Mermans stuff, and grab a Resolute Belt.

Cure cheat is a must, and it's not hard to get a Cure 3's worth. Aim for a Cure IV.

Honestly without Atonement you're going to have a harder time of it, Atonement is like PLD on easy mode, but you can hold your own if you're able to spam self-cure until you can unlock the WS.

It's not ideal, and you are probably better just coming NIN/DRK until then, but you can do it and hold your own, it just requires more effort on your part and more support in terms of the amount of Refresh needed. Chivalry can help if you have it unlocked.

[kamugi]

BST Rampage: Haub(+1 in the future), N.Body, or Skadi's Cuirie? Been told Haub/+1 but also saw someone use N.body in another guide. Skadi I have from COR and wasn't sure if it would be better than the alternatives for Rampage.

BST TP: Askar Zuchetto or Turban?

Planning on capping axe merits when my BST is 75.

rampage is crit based on TP, and multi-hit, Haub+1 will definately be best

[Rasantath]

BST Rampage: Haub(+1 in the future), N.Body, or Skadi's Cuirie? Been told Haub/+1 but also saw someone use N.body in another guide. Skadi I have from COR and wasn't sure if it would be better than the alternatives for Rampage.

BST TP: Askar Zuchetto or Turban?

Planning on capping axe merits when my BST is 75.

rampage body: this is really a bit of a tossup in my mind. i think it might depend on what you are fighting. if its a low-end mobs (bst solo mobs) probably heca. anything like regular merit-level mobs, maybe the haub+1 might be better. if you have full axe merits you might get away with heca all the time. rampage is a 30% str modifier but if you arent hitting all 5 hits then haub/+1 will perform better. i probably would use it if i had it though (i got the merits but not the heca ). skadi doesnt strike me as doing a good enough job when the haub/+1 are available. 2-3 dex is not worth +5/+6 str, +0/+2 acc, and +5/+7 attack IMO.
make 2 macros, one with each body piece, and use when appropriate. if you see you arent landing all your hits on what you are fighting, start pressing the other button instead and see if it helps. or parse.

edit: agree with kamugi, forgot about the crit part.

tp head: i use askar. i'm not stacked enough to see a real difference out of the extra 1% haste. if i had speed belt, dusk+1 gloves/feet, some other high-end stuff, and was offhanding temperance axe, then maybe turban.

[Andradi]

Cape for Spinning Slash on XP mobs: Amemet +1 or Smilo +1?

Anyone?

[mdkuser]

tp head: i use askar. i'm not stacked enough to see a real difference out of the extra 1% haste. if i had speed belt, dusk+1 gloves/feet, some other high-end stuff, and was offhanding temperance axe, then maybe turban.

1% haste is always at least 1% more dmg ( and generally more like 2%). 4 str is almost always less than 1%. wether you have zero gear haste/spell or 50%, turban is always better. Idk where people read that you need to stack haste for it to be good. Haste is always good.

[Argettio]

1% haste is always at least 1% more dmg ( and generally more like 2%). 4 str is almost always less than 1%. wether you have zero gear haste/spell or 50%, turban is always better. Idk where people read that you need to stack haste for it to be good. Haste is always good.

Because they have skimmed over the maths about Turban vs Askar, but that maths it normally about the 4DEX v 1% haste.

When you need accuracy and your haste level is low then Askar can be better, but at higher haste values the increasing returns of haste means it beats the accuracy on askars losses.

If you don't need the acc (decent gear, capped merits, exp mobs) then Turban is going to be better.

[mdkuser]

the hit rate % at which askar becomes better than turban is the same for which homam zuchetto is better than turban( 75-80% ish). 3acc will not solve anything, even a O.hat is pobably better at this point.

[Argettio]

the hit rate % at which askar becomes better than turban is the same for which homam zuchetto is better than turban( 75-80% ish). 3acc will not solve anything, even a O.hat is pobably better at this point.

Im not defending askar, just explaining where the confusion comes from...

[Shinryuu]

Uh, for BST Askar hat arguably is better:

1% hitrate on a job that doesn't have as much
1 fSTR on a job that doesn't have much TP DMG and a high TP/WS ratio
-1% haste on a job without Hasso

With enough hitrate and haste, sure, Turban wins like it so often does for the other jobs. Thing is, for BST the fSTR matters a bit more and usually the hitrate does too.

Homam Zuchetto is almost never better than even a naked (only haste piece) turban unless you're doing it very, very wrong.

[mallister]

can someone point me to a mathy askar v. turban thread? this came up recently with some folks and i'd like to point to more reference material.

[Tortalius]

I was wondering about two pieces.

Usu Pants vs Pup relic legs/(+1).
Hades +1 vs Destroyers when acc not capped of course.