What's Better?

[jimbobsonofgod]

No Idea I just figured the gloves canceled the back.(its -10 Ratt not -20)

[Kagami]

I'll probably look noobish asking, but what's better for TP set-up for DRG?

Homam Gambieras vs Aurum Sabatons.

[Max™]

I'd only use Aurum if a. I can't use Homam feet, or b. I'm at 24% haste without shoes.

[Neosutra]

I guess I could repeat it here again, because apparently its hard to understand. So basically I'm saying that HS+1 beat destroyer, unless you have capped accuracy on said mobs if you are naked ( must be really weak mob). why? because the +9acc will never be wasted if you need some accuracy gear to cap accuracy. And i'm not even considering the + enimity, it has its importance despise what neosutra and creamsoda say. In every parse I do against pchan, they prevents me from doing any counter, almost.

For example, where the destroyer guy would need a toreador ring to cap hit rate , say, the HS+1 guy could use an attack/str ring, say. So now HS+1 guy has one more base dmg + whatever you put on the ring. If you don't like the ring example you can try cuchu mantle vs foragers, or an accuracy earring vs attack earring, etc. having more accuracy on the weapon means you can remove some acc somewhere else, basically.

When considering NQ hades sainti, the difference is in favor of destroyer unless you really need the accuracy ( uncapped). but pizza will most likely solve any accuracy issues.

@Neosutra: you don't have to insult people each time you talk to them, this thread is to discuss whats better so give non childish arguments. I know you hate pchan for humiliating you in the silver sea thread after you claimed you could make a video of something impossible, but its over now, everyone forgot about the nonsense you said

Oh the fuck you didnt.

How about you go back to telling everyone brds in salvage suck?

How about you stating that hades+1 beats destroyers EVEN WHEN ACC IS CAPPED, then recounting and saying "oh, anytime you may need acc". You didnt come back with any math to back up your RETARDED statement and you were shown for the fucking idiot that you always are in these threads.

Here, let me quote your retarded ass contradicting yourself in ONE fucking page:

Hades sainti +1 are better than destroyer in any situations, even capped accuracy. destroyer is generally better than the NQ though, depending on how much accuracy is needed.

hard to understand. So basically I'm saying that HS+1 beat destroyer, unless you have capped accuracy

And just incase you didnt realize it yet: In salvage the mobs have really low evasion save for a few, and you ARE capped on hit rate 2 minutes out of 5 (3 minutes out of 5 if you have a good thf). Please be more fucking retarded.

Go away, you are doing nothing but misleading people that dont know better. Go back to failing at salvage.

As for the SSR thread, go re-read it, because the ONLY way you would see pchan as anything but a fucking moron in that thread is if you... did salvage with pchan. It doesnt take 20+ minutes to farm the 4th floor, and if it does you fail at life, kill yourself.

Go back to meleeing in str rings, thinking hades+1 rocks even when focus is up, and thinking brds are a waste of space in the game.

Oh, and again: kill yourself.

[Nishida]

SAM oshi macro gear:

Darksteel mittens vs. TP gear
Gavial Cuisses vs. TP Gear
Gavial Greaves vs. TP Gear

Not sure if the loss to haste/acc/etc is worth the hand/leg/feet slot for an oshi macro and just wanting to know what everyone thinks?

Other slots:
Body: Arhats
Head: Arhats
Rings: Jelly/Patroneous (I need to get these still)

Edit: Clarification sake..+1 and Askar feet are not my concern I just want a starter one for now I'm too poor to buy +1s of arhats lol

[Tulun]

Ground Strike vs Spinning slash at 300 TP...

On HNM level mobs. Which will produce better numbers? which skillchain it produces is not a factor in my question.

Follow-up too:
If Ground Strike is better, is there a certain tp point (like 250+ TP) where it will likely surpass Spinning slash?

[Milkster]

Oshi is to keep you alive longer, so in that case yes survivability would justify losing those stats.

[Kikaru]

Monk tp/ws 72-75, attack kotes or Enkidu's Mittens?

[Knyghtmayre]

General rule of everything: If your accuracy is uncapped (which it definitely is at 72, let alone at 75 where it still is most of the time) and you can't put haste (or crit+6% before someone cites weapon slot!) in the slot, accuracy wins.

[FailureMidgard]

General rule of everything: If your accuracy is uncapped (which it definitely is at 72, let alone at 75 where it still is most of the time) and you can't put haste (or crit+6% before someone cites weapon slot!) in the slot, accuracy wins.

Hi, does this mean a black mage with a jupiter's staff should use sniper's rings?

[Knyghtmayre]

Mars's/Rajas or bust for BLM afaik

[pchan]

6% crit, assumed TP/WS ratio of 60/40, and the big wildcard pDIF. High pDIF? High dDEX? By what % is crit going to increase your TP damage? Easy to calculate.

Hades? 3.5% hitrate, and a loss of 1.4% delay (= damage) assuming you don't get TP faster due to the higher delay w/ Hades. Now what does the crit have to make up? The difference between 1.4% delay and the returns of 3.5% hitrate averaged out w/ Focus. You'll notice that w/ high critrate, high pDIF and uncapped hitrate, NQ sainti will win. A good MNK's going to have Sainti and Destroyers until Shenlong's.

Your math is wrong. Hades don't have 1.4% more delay. They don't return more tp either. 7 accuracy is always better than 6% crit hit rate, because it's better for WS pure damage where crit% do jack shit, and also because on anything worth while you don't cap with focus if you remove ear/neck/ring/back (potentially -32 accuracy). I'm surprised vegetto is not using the ws frequency argument since he made it a point to use it for torreador's vs divisor, where the benefit is only noticable after like 500 ws..

Mdk: 9 ACC in one slot is a lot. With HS+1 and Focus you could start TPing in Kirin's Osode or so (2.5 fSTR for a MNK is kinda decent) but that's no go w/ full Usukane anyway. The rest of the slots don't really offer something better than 9 ACC, so you'd lose in comparison to Destroyers + other gear when you're capping ACC.

Hi, HS+1 have 1 more base damage. The comparison is not destroyers vs HS+1 only. It's destroyers + rings+ear+back+neck vs HS+1+rings+ear+beck+back. If you have 90% accuracy for instance, with full usu, no weapon, no ear-back-ring-neck, the guy with hades +1 can just equip an augmented carapace gorget (STR3 STP2 att 7), attack earring, str rings, cerberus+1 while the destroyers monk has to keep PCC. If you don't like my gorget use cerberus+1 vs cuchulain's mantle etc.

Replacing cuchu by cerb+1 doesn't beat 6% crit, but combiend with the +1 DMG it does.

[Argettio]

Augmented items:

Fucking up maths since 2009.

[pchan]

Oh the fuck you didnt.

How about you go back to telling everyone brds in salvage suck?

How about you stating that hades+1 beats destroyers EVEN WHEN ACC IS CAPPED, then recounting and saying "oh, anytime you may need acc". You didnt come back with any math to back up your RETARDED statement and you were shown for the fucking idiot that you always are in these threads.

Here, let me quote your retarded ass contradicting yourself in ONE fucking page:





And just incase you didnt realize it yet: In salvage the mobs have really low evasion save for a few, and you ARE capped on hit rate 2 minutes out of 5 (3 minutes out of 5 if you have a good thf). Please be more fucking retarded.

Go away, you are doing nothing but misleading people that dont know better. Go back to failing at salvage.

As for the SSR thread, go re-read it, because the ONLY way you would see pchan as anything but a fucking moron in that thread is if you... did salvage with pchan. It doesnt take 20+ minutes to farm the 4th floor, and if it does you fail at life, kill yourself.

Go back to meleeing in str rings, thinking hades+1 rocks even when focus is up, and thinking brds are a waste of space in the game.

Oh, and again: kill yourself.

I've always wondered why allakatards like you make it a point defending destroyers when they are proven multiple times which is better in which situation. I mean, do you fail that much that you can't afford a pair of NQ Hades Sainti ? Destroyers are not the best weapon, they're not even the second nor the third best .. nor the fourth best.

Hades sainti +1 > your face.

[Starr]

ban plz

[noodles355]

Zenith Mitts if you don't need acc
Genie Gages or Goliard Cuffs if you do

Oh wow I hadn't even seen Genie Gages. No idea why. Thanks.

[tidon]

On war

ancient torque or fortitude torque for tp with gaxe?
ancient torque or sea gorgets for ws?

thanks

[OgriBones]

Fortitude Torque is nice for an Aggersor up Macro as it adds attackk with some ACC, and use Ancient Torque for Aggersor Down where youll need more ACC, and I use Gorget for WS but i could be wrong.

[Argettio]

Fortitude Torque is nice for an Aggersor up Macro as it adds attackk with some ACC, and use Ancient Torque for Aggersor Down where youll need more ACC, and I use Gorget for WS but i could be wrong.

Yeah that^

When acc not capped:
Ancient > PCC > Fort > Chiv

When acc is capped:
Fort > Chiv > Ancient > PCC

[Starr]

When Acc is capped Ancient can be far better than both Fort and Chiv depending on dDEX (definately so for a mithra with EBody/Byakkos/Rajas).