What's Better?

[Cream Soda]

I'll just not use focus every run for the next couple weeks and prolly make a thread compiling the data for chariot eva

[Yugl]

I thought SAM WS were always 95% ACC? Or is it just an ACC bonus they receive (Maybe 50?) for WSs that makes it appear always capped.

[mdkuser]

so. what kind of HNM has high enough evasion to justify the use of ace's helm lol. The more I see discussions on the subject and the more I think people should just stop waste time on on a 1% slow head gear. I mean, purely from hit rate/haste point of view, ignoring pizza, ace's was only viable when hit rate is between 90% and 93%. Anything below and full usukane "wins". Now if pizza caps you on those HNM what's the point of spending months camping an item that beats turban only on two mobs in the game ( MMJ lurker @ H9 and F6 bhaflau thickets).

[Wolfknight]

I thought SAM WS were always 95% ACC? Or is it just an ACC bonus they receive (Maybe 50?) for WSs that makes it appear always capped.

the bonus acc doesn't seem to account for DA hits, and also when blinded, flashed, or mob uses evasion up these seem to still affect YGK's acc somehow possible they are applied after the bonus, I am not sure, thus they uncap after those, should otherwise be capped though.

[FailureMidgard]

the bonus acc doesn't seem to account for DA hits, and also when blinded, flashed, or mob uses evasion up these seem to still affect YGK's acc somehow possible they are applied after the bonus, I am not sure, thus they uncap after those, should otherwise be capped though.

This is fairly wrong, they are just more potent than the bonus given. A flashed sam's Gekko will still land more often than various other 3+ hit WSes will (which only need to land 1 of the 3+ hits to "land")

[Wolfknight]

This is fairly wrong, they are just more potent than the bonus given. A flashed sam's Gekko will still land more often than various other 3+ hit WSes will (which only need to land 1 of the 3+ hits to "land")

Well I meant that the bonus isn't large to still automatically cap your acc under those cases.

[Knyghtmayre]

so. what kind of HNM has high enough evasion to justify the use of ace's helm lol. The more I see discussions on the subject and the more I think people should just stop waste time on on a 1% slow head gear. I mean, purely from hit rate/haste point of view, ignoring pizza, ace's was only viable when hit rate is between 90% and 93%. Anything below and full usukane "wins". Now if pizza caps you on those HNM what's the point of spending months camping an item that beats turban only on two mobs in the game ( MMJ lurker @ H9 and F6 bhaflau thickets).

Salvage for months (years) for full Usu or camp KV for a week and make a very comparable mix and match build... HMMM.

[pchan]

Salvage for months (years) for full Usu or camp KV for a week and make a very comparable mix and match build... HMMM.

Why don't you have usukane gear?

[Thunder]

Totsukanotsurugi or hagun for gekko?

Totsu: 88 + (80+70 str) * 1.5625 = 371.875

Hagun: 75 + 150 * 1.875 = 421.875

Is the oversimplified math I'm doing for just the two of them.. is that correct?

[richardd]

Salvage for months (years) for full Usu or camp KV for a week and make a very comparable mix and match build... HMMM.

blah, you should go for it now man. i know i dont really play, but from what i can tell, usu is really no big deal anymore. i had a million ppl spamming my msn with pics of their shit dropping like earth crystals. i really doubt you're going to have to go through the same shit streaks me/arthars/neo and a lot of others went through before they fixed those zones. Its becoming so common to have 5/5 now thats its kinda "eh cool", but its still a good personal achievement. even after i got my 5/5 i still liked doing mix/match at certain places too lol. go for it man! usu on taru is pretty hawt.

[Killkenny]

Salvage for months (years) for full Usu or camp KV for a week and make a very comparable mix and match build... HMMM.

What are you doing ingame if you aren't trying to obtain the best gear for your jobs, nobody will believe you if you use the social angle.

[Yugl]

usu on taru is pretty hawt.

Nothing on Taru looks good.

Totsukanotsurugi or hagun for gekko?

Totsu: 88 + (80+70 str) * 1.5625 = 371.875

Hagun: 75 + 150 * 1.875 = 421.875

Is the oversimplified math I'm doing for just the two of them.. is that correct?

Is that supposed to be the WS formula? If so, it's a bit off.

Base DMG (88) + fSTR (Depends on mob's VIT and WSRANK) + Modifiers*cLV

Though in this case (Unless I'm missing some important detail about the weapons or SAM WS), it's more like Base DMG+8 v ~.31fTP. I think the fTP wins.

[Thunder]

Is that supposed to be the WS formula? If so, it's a bit off.

Base DMG (88) + fSTR (Depends on mob's VIT and WSRANK) + Modifiers*cLV

Though in this case (Unless I'm missing some important detail about the weapons or SAM WS), it's more like Base DMG+8 v ~.31fTP. I think the fTP wins.

I was just trying to simplify it.

(( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP) * PDIF

PDIF is the same for both and I don't know what to do with that so I just cross it out.

fSTR is capped for both weapons on colibri at 150 str, 17 for amano/totsu and 16 for hagun.

Spoiler: show

(your STR - monster VIT+4)/4 making it 150 - 67 + 4 = 21.75 and the fSTR caps of totsu/amano is 88/9 + 8 = 17 and hagun being 75/9 + 8 = 16.

VIT used is colibri and STR is set at 150.

WSC is floor(floor(150 * 0.75) * 0.83) = 92

Spoiler: show

took this formula straight off of wiki: WSC = floor (floor((A x A%) + (B x B%)) x α)

Totsu/Amano: (88 + 17 + 92)*1.5625 = 307.8125
Hagun: (75 + 16 + 92)*1.875 = 343.125

[Vodou]

This is fairly wrong, they are just more potent than the bonus given. A flashed sam's Gekko will still land more often than various other 3+ hit WSes will (which only need to land 1 of the 3+ hits to "land")

Is this anecdotal?

I'm not even sure if mob flash is like PC flash and degrades over time. If so how did this get tested?

The bonus has been tested and appears to be +100 to acc. Unless people are actively reducing accuracy (blind pots or gear) in a controlled setting, I'm not sure how anyone can say one is larger or smaller.

The fact that it affects only the first attack of a WS is the part that is fairly well known. How did anyone determine the first or second (or third hit) of a 3 part WS had less bonus than a 1 hit WS? If you mean that the 1-hit WS landed at a higher rate than the 3-hit (overall), then I am even more skeptical that any conditions were being controlled.

If multi-hit WS do not have the accuracy bonus on the first hit, it would be news. If all 1-hit WS have a bonus but YGK has a higher one, I'm sure I've never seen that test.

[Kyte]

blah, you should go for it now man. i know i dont really play, but from what i can tell, usu is really no big deal anymore. i had a million ppl spamming my msn with pics of their shit dropping like earth crystals. i really doubt you're going to have to go through the same shit streaks me/arthars/neo and a lot of others went through before they fixed those zones. Its becoming so common to have 5/5 now thats its kinda "eh cool", but its still a good personal achievement. even after i got my 5/5 i still liked doing mix/match at certain places too lol. go for it man! usu on taru is pretty hawt.

I've seen 1 piece of 35 gear drop in the last 3 months. I assure you, those shitty streaks still exist.

[mdkuser]

It depends on how often you do it really, savage rewards only if you spam it. Idk why salvage is not so popular amoing NAs. The same setup that works for nyzul isle works for salvage basically. I've got a mostly JP einherjar shell and sea shell, all members have salvage gear and half have one or more full sets. Its very popular on that side of the world, even terrible gimps get salvage gears.

[ringthree]

I've seen 1 piece of 35 gear drop in the last 3 months. I assure you, those shitty streaks still exist.

A shitty streak for us is another week with no 35's that people need. I don't think we have gone a week without a 35 in months. And we are down to just 3 runs a week now.

[Kyte]

I'm sure my group doesn't go as often as yours, but even still- we've had a pretty shitty streak.

[Kirschy]

A shitty streak for us is another week with no 35's that people need. I don't think we have gone a week without a 35 in months. And we are down to just 3 runs a week now.

I wish my group had your luck. If we ever see a 35 it's a big deal~

[richardd]

I'm sure my group doesn't go as often as yours, but even still- we've had a pretty shitty streak.

its like what Ringthree said.

we all spammed RVB everyday and sometimes we'd even salvage twice a day, and our favor was always SSR. everyone needed everything from there so that was easily around 40% of our total runs. that means every week we kill about 3-4 turtles. sometimes more. and for over 5 months, i didnt see 1 hara-ate EVER drop. Neo's streak was a lot worse, but thats how it was back than. now hara-ates drop like a fuckin' kindred seal off EXP mobs lol. My friend got one for one and her mnk/sam/nin and it aint even lvl 50 yet. i wouldnt be surprised if its as common as ares body now. but i dont mind it really. in fact, i think its cool for you guys. i would rather no one had to put up with the shit we had to.

thats why i suggested to knyght that he pursue it. it doesnt take a year+ to complete any set anymore. he can get it done, in a few months at most.




god... one 35 a week. i wouldve KILLED to have drops like that back than haha


salvage was weird for us. the expression "when it rain, it pours" could describe our drop rate mentality. when 1 35 dropped, we knew it was gonna be a good week. When nothing dropped, we knew it was gonna be just like everrrry other week.