What's Better?

[Jontale]

How does Gondo-shizunori compare to Tomoe for SAM?

[Yugl]

@Starr: I didn't mean to say that you will be tickled that much, but over the course of a merit party you will be tickled quiet a few times. I just figured if you get tickled 6~ times you'll have made up an entire WS by keeping a true 6-hit build.

This and for those times mobs move out of range (Hint: Not merit PTs), you're using single hit WS, or simply miss a lot of hits due to random luck.

[BroodIfrit]

For PUP it's a no-brainer, but for SAM and NIN, how does Usukane Haramaki stack up against Haubergeon +1?

For SAM (when it's 75) I'll have:
Hagun/Pole/--/B Tathlum
Ace's/Peacock/Brutal/Ethereal
Haub +1 or Usukane/Dusk/Rajas/Iota or Sniper +1
Cuch or Forager's/Velo/Byakko/Usukane

Also, with full Store TP merits, should I use Sword Strap over Pole?

[Gadritan]

I wouldn't bother with anything but Drain II and even that can be iffy sometimes. In a zerg, you want to get in there asap.

Agreed. SE also increases your acc. Not sure by how much offhand though.

[Knyghtmayre]

How does Gondo-shizunori compare to Tomoe for SAM?

Assuming a 30~40%Melee:60~70WS ratio, Gondo's 6% crits only affect your melee damage, and has 1 less base damage than Tomoe. Tomoe's 2.5% hitrate is in play 100% of the time. I don't really know how to do the critical maths, but at best Gondo would be on par with Tomoe, at worst it is a little behind it. Considering how rare a Levi Couse is, I'd put Gondo as the best alternative to Tomoe due to it's stats and the fact that you have to unlock it as opposed to Tomoe being read to use instantly.

[Thunder]

For PUP it's a no-brainer, but for SAM and NIN, how does Usukane Haramaki stack up against Haubergeon +1?

For SAM (when it's 75) I'll have:
Hagun/Pole/--/B Tathlum
Ace's/Peacock/Brutal/Ethereal
Haub +1 or Usukane/Dusk/Rajas/Iota or Sniper +1
Cuch or Forager's/Velo/Byakko/Usukane

Also, with full Store TP merits, should I use Sword Strap over Pole?

Usukane on sam. And then you can use sword strap(can't use sword strap with just usukane feet). And I'm no nin so I usually skip over advice pertaining to it but I'm pretty sure AF(+1) will be better than both bodies if you can(and should) get your acc high enough.

[Siniroth]

Really, I'm the only one who laughed that the charts above said Cum%?

I just didn't want to be the first one to point it out XD

[byte]

Warrior Questions: Double Attack for Maneater/Ridill..

Still not really sure about this and I want to hear other WARs opinions on it :/

For TP:
Suppanomimi/Assault Earring vs. Suppa/Brutal

Merits:
5 DA / 5 Berserk vs. 5 Berserk / 5 Aggressor

Inb4 Great Axe

(ps. At the moment I'm using Suppa/Assault and 5DA/5bserk)

[Tsuko_Asura]

Obligatory, "how can you dual-wield when you're /WHM?"



Real answer: don't dual-wield.

[Thunder]

Obligatory, "How about this: you let him use his ridill the way he sees fit, and you use your ridill the way you see fit.

Wait, what's that? You don't -have- a ridill you say? That's funny, because the way you treat ridill as if it materialized in front of oneself on a whim would lead me to believe that you must be a fafnir rapin' dynamo."


Suppa/Brutal 5DA/5berserk if you must. Takes a whole hell of a lot for brutal to be beaten. And even if aggressor would be better for axe/rid you don't want to stray from the best merit combination available for gaxe.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Obligatory, "How about this: you let him use his ridill the way he sees fit, and you use your ridill the way you see fit.

Wait, what's that? You don't -have- a ridill you say? That's funny, because the way you treat ridill as if it materialized in front of oneself on a whim would lead me to believe that you must be a fafnir rapin' dynamo."


Suppa/Brutal 5DA/5berserk if you must. Takes a whole hell of a lot for brutal to be beaten. And even if aggressor would be better for axe/rid you don't want to stray from the best merit combination available for gaxe.

I've having difficulty deciding whether or not this was serious.

If it wasn't, 4/10.

If it was, worst parallel ever.

[Thunder]

I thought it was good, totally jumped at the opportunity to grow past our 1str woes, kap

[byte]

Suppa/Brutal 5DA/5berserk if you must. Takes a whole hell of a lot for brutal to be beaten. And even if aggressor would be better for axe/rid you don't want to stray from the best merit combination available for gaxe.

Double Attack takes priority over triple hits from Ridill

And even if aggressor would be better for axe/rid you don't want to stray from the best merit combination available for gaxe.

I know DA/Serk is the best combo for gaxe. I'm only interested in what's best for Axe/rdl. Generally I end up being forced to play BRD in situations where Great Axe would be required.

Inb4 Great Axe

Real answer: don't dual-wield.

Called it.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Double Attack takes priority over triple hits from Ridill

While simultaneously taking priority over single hits from Ridill.

Don't dual-wield.

[Thunder]

Double attack also takes priority over ridill's 1 hits.

When I said hell of a lot, I meant it takes a hell of a lot to beat brutal; more than it only really(there was a very informative thread on brutal with ridill and I don't remember what the verdict was, maybe somebody does?) affecting your maneater.

Edit: Oh come on, Mr. 66str, we even post at the same time and say the same things!

[Tsuko_Asura]

The verdict was that it either has no effect whatsoever, or it has a positive effect that's too minuscule to matter. Then there's the issue of you having a second weapon that takes full advantage of Brutal Earring, which is why you should be using Brutal Earring.

But really, don't dual-wield.

[Thunder]

I know DA/Serk is the best combo for gaxe. I'm only interested in what's best for Axe/rdl. Generally I end up being forced to play BRD in situations where Great Axe would be required.

I don't understand then. I think you know gaxe is better.. and I'd understand you using man/ridill for shits and giggles when out fighting shit that doesn't matter, but then aggressor wouldn't matter, either.

[byte]

For "normal" mobs that don't have crazy defense/eva (like HNM do).

WAR/SAM gax > WAR/NIN dw > WAR/NIN gax

I like having the survivability of /NIN.

[Thunder]

Don't have any sound math for that. But regarding your first question:

Since apparently you're fighting mobs <T with your axe/ridill aggressor wont do anything for you anyway and you should go with 5DA/5berserk.

[Cream Soda]

For "normal" mobs that don't have crazy defense/eva (like HNM do).

WAR/SAM gax > MNK/NIN > WAR/NIN dw > WAR/NIN gax

I like having the survivability of /NIN.

Level mnk, problem solved.