What's Better?

[Ragnell]

At what level should I start Using a WS set? I wanted to start now since I just got Penta Thrust, I'm currently 52 Drg, and what would I start using or should buy right now.

:3

[Max™]

YOU BEST NOT HAVE OVERLOOKED MY RESPONSE, BRO!

You gon' get kicked in yo' chest!

Walkure~Valk mask~Empress~Acc augment/PCC~Chiv~Augment~Spike/Augment~Att ear x2
Acc~Att~Augment/SFG's~Acc~RSE~Gothic set~not-pallas/acc/rajas
jaguar~Augment/life belt/pub sub/Acc~RSE~Gothic set



<= reverse 1337, I have gone over to the Dork Side.

[Nightfyre]

COR/DRG joyeuse setup:

earrings:
Wyvern + Suppa
- or -
Wyvern + Brutal ?

Suppa below 82% hitrate (not including earring) and Brutal at and above.

[Ragnell]

YOU BEST NOT HAVE OVERLOOKED MY RESPONSE, BRO!

You gon' get kicked in yo' chest!

Walkure~Valk mask~Empress~Acc augment/PCC~Chiv~Augment~Spike/Augment~Att ear x2
Acc~Att~Augment/SFG's~Acc~RSE~Gothic set~not-pallas/acc/rajasjaguar~Augment/life belt/pub sub/Acc~RSE~Gothic set



<= reverse 1337, I have gone over to the Dork Side.

I SO SORRY BROSEPH, I though you was still talkin about hastan

I have most the gear you listed there expect the bolded, since most are above my level.

Should I be TPing with Walkure, PCA, Life belt, Juaguar mantle? Or Swap em in for Penta, since Penta is about ACC, should i use more ACC gear over Att/Str gear?

[Raen Ryong]

We can debate the relative merits of accuracy vs. enmity while TPing on PLD, but that was not the question that was asked. The question was asked about what to do while maintaining high enmity.

I have no problem at all with your conclusion that Atonement produces much more enmity than normal melee hits, but I don't know how you draw conclusions from that statement to show that one body is better than another. You need to take it a step further and compare the relative amount of WS's done on the mob. This is where you will find out if your conclusion is correct or not.

Unless, of course, I missed something.

Basically that increases in WS frequency become a lot more significant compared to increases in enmity... so using the preliminary math above (though it's probably a lot closer to a 6:1 ratio over time and given an average hit of 20 is high for a Joyeuse on HNM), the hitrate difference between the bodies becomes very significant since melee enmity is very insignificant compared to greater number of Atonements.

[Kinetic]

Saotome Sune-ate or Amir Boots for SAM Penta Thrust?

[Wulfgang]

I sold my Speed Belt to help fund Apoc a few weeks ago. Trying to get V Belt obviously but I keep getting this shit:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...F/KA-92209.png

I pick up Bec de Faucon tomorrow night and have been giving more thought to aftermath build. Homam Feet (3%), Swift (4%), Turban (5%), Dusk Gloves (3%), Blitz Ring (1%) puts me at 16% + Cata = cap. My question is, how detrimental would it be to:

A) Swap Turban for Ace's (25% total haste)
B) Keep Ace's and Sniper's +1 on (24% total haste)

Let's say bird camp with haste spell and victory march from NQ BRD.

Ideally with V. Belt I could keep Ace's and S+1 on and still cap haste .

[FailureMidgard]

I sold my Speed Belt to help fund Apoc a few weeks ago. Trying to get V Belt obviously but I keep getting this shit:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...F/KA-92209.png

I pick up Bec de Faucon tomorrow night and have been giving more thought to aftermath build. Homam Feet (3%), Swift (4%), Turban (5%), Dusk Gloves (3%), Blitz Ring (1%) puts me at 16% + Cata = cap. My question is, how detrimental would it be to:

A) Swap Turban for Ace's (25% total haste)
B) Keep Ace's and Sniper's +1 on (24% total haste)

Let's say bird camp with haste spell and victory march from NQ BRD.

Ideally with V. Belt I could keep Ace's and S+1 on and still cap haste .

Needs more information. So I'll just assume.

Accuracy:
Apoc 20
Bomblet 6
PCC 10
Abyssal +5skill
EBody 15 +10dex
(?? No Homam hands 4)
Rajas +5dex
Cuchulain 5acc +4dex
Swift 3
Homam 3
Homam 6

+68 acc, +5skill, +19dex
292 base skill, Base Dex ???(65ish?)
297 skill = 200 + 97(.9)=287
(65+19)*.75=63
287+63+68=418 acc

That's 11 accuracy past cap. Meaning you could drop Cuch and PCC, put on Torque + Foragers, and still be accuracy capped. There is no reason to use an Ace's or Toreador.

Normally, you can work a bit with gear, and make Turban better than Aces. With a relic, Aces become even worse.

Edit: If you do get a Vbelt, your goal becomes to maximize attack while keeping haste cap, not accuracy. If you get the vbelt, and switch to an Ace's, then you should switch out Bomblet for a Bomb core, and a STR ring replaces blitz, not sniper+1. That still leaves you 1 accuracy above what I said earlier anyway.

[Kirschy]

I sold my Speed Belt to help fund Apoc a few weeks ago. Trying to get V Belt obviously but I keep getting this shit:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...F/KA-92209.png

I pick up Bec de Faucon tomorrow night and have been giving more thought to aftermath build. Homam Feet (3%), Swift (4%), Turban (5%), Dusk Gloves (3%), Blitz Ring (1%) puts me at 16% + Cata = cap. My question is, how detrimental would it be to:

A) Swap Turban for Ace's (25% total haste)
B) Keep Ace's and Sniper's +1 on (24% total haste)

Let's say bird camp with haste spell and victory march from NQ BRD.

Ideally with V. Belt I could keep Ace's and S+1 on and still cap haste .

The exact haste comes out to be:
30(Feet) + 40(Belt) + 50(Head) + 30(Hands) + 11(Ring) + 102(Cata) = 263/1024, the cap being 256/1024. (You're 7/1024 over the cap).

Swapping Turban for Ace's would drop 50 and add 40, for a net of -10/1024. You'd be at 253/1024(~24.7%). 3/1024 from cap (~.3% Haste). Failure is better with the damage math to tell you which setup would gain you the best dot though~

[Andradi]

I SO SORRY BROSEPH, I though you was still talkin about hastan

I have most the gear you listed there expect the bolded, since most are above my level.

Should I be TPing with Walkure, PCA, Life belt, Juaguar mantle? Or Swap em in for Penta, since Penta is about ACC, should i use more ACC gear over Att/Str gear?

Assuming no swift belt, those things should all be in your TP set at level 50. In absence of swift belt, life belt and PCA should be in your TP set more or less all the way to 75.

For a multi-hit weaponskill such as penta a good low level TP set should look very similar to a WS set. Parse your accuracy (get K-Parser, it's really nifty) and determine if you can get away with pizza, or if you need sushi to keep up a higher hit-rate. On DRK I very rarely had capped accuracy, even with sushi (although I don't have PCC/A and an ACC bonus trait.)

If your accuracy is capped in TP phase, look to swap out some acc for strength or attack. If it's not, I probably wouldn't, missed hits of penta don't do any damage. I don't know if I was 'doing it wrong' but I didn't make a separate guillotine set until level 72 (swift belt doesn't exist and dusk gear) and always parsed very well. Feel free to scold me if I was.

[Raen Ryong]

I definitely didn't have capped accuracy when I was levelling DRG without food, and I had nearly perfect gear in TP phase doing it, arrogantly speaking (PCC, Toreador's Ring etc) though no Polearm merits.

I wouldn't bother making a set with multihit weaponskills except swapping out the belt (if Swift). If it's a singlehit, then I'd always have a set for it since full STR is beneficial there; if you try to go too offensive on multihits early they're just gonna end up sucking from lack of consistency.

[trixter]

Which category 2 BP's are generally the most damaging with full merits and tp?

[Tsuko_Asura]

They're all the same base damage IIRC, some just have ulterior benefits(Geocrush stuns, Wind Blade you can get TP faster with Hastega, etc)

[Pro]

Galea...Probably has been beat to death, I did a mild search but couldn't find an answer to this.

Anyways...

I'm a WAR, sitting at 22% Haste(Walahra/Dusk+1/VBelt/Byakko/Aurum) and I currently have N.Head. I don't do endgame much anymore, mostly merit. But I was curious, if the Haste 5% 2DEX piece was the best route to go, or if I should get the WS Head piece...or is there another combination worth taking into consideration. I can list other equip slots if needed. Thanks in advance.

[Zatho]

Ok basically i'm lvling rng atm is already 52 and i will be using it 90% of the time for Odin, sandworm, DI maybe 1 or 2 more events outside of those 3. I'll have either 4 archery/marksmanship merits. I have a hellfire +1 and my question is.
Selenes/E bow or Hellfire +1. Also someone that knows more about this convince me that e bow is worth the 3.9m bc i kind of don't wanna spend that much.

[FailureMidgard]

Ok basically i'm lvling rng atm is already 52 and i will be using it 90% of the time for Odin, sandworm, DI maybe 1 or 2 more events outside of those 3. I'll have either 4 archery/marksmanship merits. I have a hellfire +1 and my question is.
Selenes/E bow or Hellfire +1. Also someone that knows more about this convince me that e bow is worth the 3.9m bc i kind of don't wanna spend that much.

When you get to spending gil, what's worth it is completely up to you. If you have infinite gil, and an item is better, it is worth it. If you have a much more limited budget, with 6 other jobs, you require much more for your gil for something to be worth it. Do you just want know the % increase in your damage or what?

If you don't want to spend it, and want to spend gil on other jobs, I think you answered your own question.

[Dathus]

Looking at re-tooling my jump set, not too sure what to change/where yet. It's always been my "weakest" set tbh, and I think I need a change with it.

Fay Lance / Pole Grip / Tiphia
Hecatomb Cap / Love Torque / Brutal Earring / Assault Earring
Homam Corazza / Drachen +1 / Rajas / Blood Ring
Amemet+1 / Wyrm Belt / Conte Coscialles / Drachen Greaves

No access to other pieces of Heca atm, and waiting on Foragers to drop from the ENM.

[Ragnus]

Zahak's Mail if you have the cash for it or the means to get a suit. Really nice Str boost.

[Valisk]

Rajas/Sniper +1 or Sniper +1/Sniper +1 for THF and BLU?

THF:

X's(THF Knife)/Sirocco Kukri/x/Fire Bomblet
Turban/PCC/Brutal/Suppa
RHarness(SH+1)/Dusk+1/???/Sniper+1
Cerb+1(Cuch)/Swift/Homam/Homam

BLU:

Koggle/Ifrit's/x/Tiphia
Turban/PCC/Brutal/Suppa
Mirage/Dusk+1/???/Sniper+1
Cerb+1(Cuch)/Swift/Homam/Homam

Mainly use THF for farming/solo/etc
Mainly use BLU for Nyzul/Einherjar/etc

[mdkuser]

For THF, rajas ring. THF has low dmg weapon, and 5 str from rajas is actually huge, unlike for two handers for example. Not to mention that the (standard) gear you post has no str (xcept mantle).

The stp can be usefull depending on the dagger combo. But in fact, with your X/blau, 5 stp from rajas do almost nothing, since you will be stuck with 4.9 tp per hit ( need skadi leg to have 5.0+).