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    MNK sucks on HNM though :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starr View Post
    MNK sucks on HNM though :D
    So does dual-wielding on warrior.

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    He uses Great Axe on HNM

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    My point was any situation you'd DW on war, go mnk instead. This has 0 to do w/ gax ^.^

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte View Post
    For TP:
    Suppanomimi/Assault Earring vs. Suppa/Brutal
    Math done by Thorny when I asked him this a few months ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorny
    650 / 400def = 1.625 - .3 lv correction = 1.325 pdif
    655 / 400def = 1.6375 - .3 lv correction = 1.3375 = 0.94% damage increase with axe and assault
    635 / 400 def = 1.5875 - .3 lv correction = 1.2875 pdif
    640 / 400 def = 1.6 - .3 lv correction = 1.3 pdif = 0.97% damage increase with sword and assault
    95% / 94% = 1.06% increase in hits landed with axe
    88% / 87% = 1.14% increase in hits landed with ridill

    Brutal is 115/110 or 4.54% increase in tp gained and damage dealt with axe, assuming it doesn't effect ridill either way(I believe probability of each hit in distribution is even with multihit weapons- most of the tests have been inconclusive, though it doesn't drastically change outcome of this math).

    Assuming 60-40 Ridill-Axe DoT and 66-33 Ridill-Axe TP:
    For Assault:
    0.94 * 4 = 3.76
    0.97 * 6 = 5.82
    9.58 / 10 = .958% damage increase on connected hits
    1.06 * 1 = 1.06
    1.14 * 2 = 2.28
    3.34 / 3 = 1.113% damage increase and tp increase from acc
    Total: 2.071% damage during TP, 1.113% damage from additional WS

    For Brutal
    4.54 * 4 = 18.16
    0 * 6 = 0
    18.16 / 10 = 1.816% damage during tp from additional axe swings

    4.54 * 1 = 4.54
    0 * 2 = 0
    4.54 / 3 = 1.5133% increase in #/WS
    Total: 1.816% damage during tp, 1.5133% damage from additional WS

    0.400% dmg during ws from brutal vs .255% dmg during tp from assault - which is better depends on your normal tp-ws distribution, but I'd usually go with brutal unless you have a very bad ws set(1.3 pdif = ~80 dmg axe swings ~70 ridill, 220 dmg per 3 swings, 4.5x that = ~990 damage during a tp phase, 2.5 damage gain during tp phase, only need a 625 ws average to favor brutal).
    You'll eventually come to agree with everyone else that Ridill is bad and you should feel bad for using one. Great Axe or http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/images/icons/icon2.gif

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    Askar body vs hect harness on jump?
    Alot of drg i've seen favor atk> str on jumps that i've seen hence im asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khajit View Post
    Askar body vs hect harness on jump?
    Alot of drg i've seen favor atk> str on jumps that i've seen hence im asking.
    depends if need askar for 6-hit or not[if using any jump tp bonus fine, if not need askar], Ignoring 6-hit issue, Hect harness would better if uncapped acc and Not sure if capped acc.

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    Another Jump question, but more for SAM/DRG:

    Which body piece would be better: Haubergeon, Kirin's Osode, or Myochin Domaru +1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khajit View Post
    Askar body vs hect harness on jump?
    Alot of drg i've seen favor atk> str on jumps that i've seen hence im asking.
    Give me your total ATT/ACC/STR/VIT/Weapon base DMG.

    ACC = (200) + ((Polearm-200)*.9) + (DEX*.75) + ACC Gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte View Post
    For "normal" mobs that don't have crazy defense/eva (like HNM do).

    WAR/SAM gax > WAR/NIN dw > WAR/NIN gax

    I like having the survivability of /NIN.

    this x 10,000

    yes I know gaxe and /sam is better, but there are enough situations where shadows can blink massive aoe damage that a properly geared war/nin with ridill is a viable option.

    inb4 (OMG THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS BIRD EXP)

    Personally I'm in the same boat byte, wish I could help more but i juggle assault/suppa and brutal/suppa. I just can't decide ._.!

    i'm 4 da 3bergressor and that probably isn't changing, though honestly with my merit set up I do ridill/joy when i dual anymore. 8/8 sword 4/4 shield 8/8 gaxe (soon to be 8/8 scythe since apoc is getting closer to being done)

    Back on topic:

    Its just fun to blink tank, or am I weird?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelen View Post
    Another Jump question, but more for SAM/DRG:

    Which body piece would be better: Haubergeon, Kirin's Osode, or Myochin Domaru +1?
    From my experience, Jump has ACC bonus similar to 1 hit WS's so I don't think ACC should be a big concern. (I parse 95+% Jump acc on SAM/DRG over hundreds of thousands of xp with maxed out vit/str/att gear set - i.e. well under known acc caps on the mobs I xp on). That being said, I prefer Osode for the VIT + STR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Limlight View Post
    Personally I'm in the same boat byte, wish I could help more but i juggle assault/suppa and brutal/suppa. I just can't decide ._.!
    Brutal always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugl View Post

    ACC = (200) + ((Polearm-200)*.9) + (DEX*.75) + ACC Gear
    +22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starr View Post
    +22
    That's standard so I can add that in. What I don't know was the information I asked for.

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    Pole Grip vs Claymore Grip vs Brave Grip for RR/DB,

    Not even sure brave grip will do anything, assuming dDEX cap@GreaterColibri.

    Edit: not just for WS, but also for TPing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knyghtmayre View Post
    Pole Grip vs Claymore Grip vs Brave Grip for RR/DB,

    Not even sure brave grip will do anything, assuming dDEX cap@GreaterColibri.

    Edit: not just for WS, but also for TPing
    Pole Grip for TP/WS
    Claymore if just worrying about WS

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    Toreador's ring or Divisor ring for a general purpose Ring #2?

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    Divisor because it's 3M you can spend elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fwahm View Post
    Toreador's ring or Divisor ring for a general purpose Ring #2?
    Toreador if your Acc is uncapped.

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