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  1. #1001
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    Evoker's Spats (Enhances avatar accuracy)
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    Oracle's Braconi (Summoning magic skill +5)

    for Predator Claws

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishida View Post
    SAM75 BLU75 RDM73(getting it to 75 within a day or 2) NIN59

    Currently own:
    Bushinomimi
    Brutal Earring
    Loquacious Earring

    NIN59 is up in the air on a completion date..I may just focus on merits for a while before finishing this.

    I'm wondering..for Apoc Nigh..which earring would be best for me?

    Hollow: Awesome for BLU
    Magnetic: RDM, and to a lesser extent BLU
    Ethereal: BLU, and eventually NIN

    Right now I'm thinking Magnetic is a sexy earring for RDM, but Hollow is really nice for BLU since I don't have a Suppa. Ethereal is a decent earring, but excels nicely with NIN/DRK. Not sure what to do here. =X
    Get suppa, (blu/nin/rdm suppa/brutal)
    Get Hollow (sam Hollow/Brutal)
    Buy a trump +1(WS piece all around)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartlett View Post
    Evoker's Spats (Enhances avatar accuracy)
    vs
    Oracle's Braconi (Summoning magic skill +5)

    for Predator Claws
    No one has results that have been tested to prove that one is better then the other.

    Avatar damage is too random to test. Has been brought up a few times on these forums with never an answer.

    People say " Go with what your heart tells you "

    (personally i use evoker's Spats +1)

    Just thought about the possibility of herder's subligar being better then Evoker's + Oracles.

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    Stupid question, too lazy to actually do maths, but quick confirmation would be nice:

    Fowling vs Brutal for Atonement TP using Joyeuse. Fowling, yes? And is the 5 attack on Assault worth losing a point of acc from Fowling when the primary goal is to gain TP? (I know TP damage adds up, but it's 5 attack QQ).

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    Brutal: 2.75% DA after overlap with Joyeuse

    Fowling: 1.5% hitrate

    Brutal will be superior anytime your ACC is above 54.5% with it equipped.

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    Brutal it is. Been using it anyways cuz I'm lazy, but I'm due for a spellcast rehash soon anyways so thought I'd check. Danke

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbobsonofgod View Post
    Get suppa, (blu/nin/rdm suppa/brutal)
    Get Hollow (sam Hollow/Brutal)
    Buy a trump +1(WS piece all around)
    I had this come up before.

    Is Bushi, for my SAM main w/ merits better or worse than Suppa for my BLU (no merits for a little while cuz after SAM = RDM merits), and NIN which isn't even 75, and RDM won't be meleeing much if at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nishida View Post
    I had this come up before.

    Is Bushi, for my SAM main w/ merits better or worse than Suppa for my BLU (no merits for a little while cuz after SAM = RDM merits), and NIN which isn't even 75, and RDM won't be meleeing much if at all.
    Suppa provides greater benefits for BLU than Bushi does for SAM, but there's also the question of which job you prefer and which you would get the most use of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
    Suppa provides greater benefits for BLU than Bushi does for SAM, but there's also the question of which job you prefer and which you would get the most use of.
    Not sure I agree with this. Any situation where that statement is true is a situation you should probably be on sam instead. The places blu shines is when you can literally spam spells, then get a restore chest (certain limbus zones) or be done with the fight. If you are actually doing a significant bit of meleeing, I think you're better off on sam usually, though headbutt is nice still...

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    I would argue that BLU's solo capacity (Due to HB and other specialties) is greater than that of SAM. In those cases, you want to preserve MP and melee the mobs. Otherwise, SAM > BLU for PT oriented events unless your SAM is complete and utter shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yugl View Post
    I would argue that BLU's solo capacity (Due to HB and other specialties) is greater than that of SAM. In those cases, you want to preserve MP and melee the mobs. Otherwise, SAM > BLU for PT oriented events unless your SAM is complete and utter shit.
    I dunno, sam/dnc with proper gear swaps is pretty damn good at solo.

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    SAM:
    Someone link me the math behind Usubody/Usufeet/rajas + sword strap vs usubody/usufeet/rajas + Pole Grip. Capped sTP merits of course and Hagun.

    I saw it somewhere a while ago but no luck so far while searching. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by lathia View Post
    SAM:
    Someone link me the math behind Usubody/Usufeet/rajas + sword strap vs usubody/usufeet/rajas + Pole Grip. Capped sTP merits of course and Hagun.

    I saw it somewhere a while ago but no luck so far while searching. Thanks
    Don't even need to link you. 2% DA vs 3% DoT, DA worsens as you add more meaning the effect on your DoT is actually less than 2% as a result of Brutal Earring and possible /WAR in addition to TP overflow, but 3>2 anyway so Sword Strap wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
    Suppa provides greater benefits for BLU/RDM/NIN than Bushi does for SAM, but there's also the question of which job you prefer and which you would get the most use of.
    FiFy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
    3>2 anyway so Sword Strap wins.
    Quoted the important bit.

    If sword doesn't break your X hit build... its better (with a few possible exceptions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lathia View Post
    SAM:
    Someone link me the math behind Usubody/Usufeet/rajas + sword strap vs usubody/usufeet/rajas + Pole Grip. Capped sTP merits of course and Hagun.

    I saw it somewhere a while ago but no luck so far while searching. Thanks
    sword strap gives.: -3% delay. 1/(1-0.03)=1.031 so its actually +3.1% dmg, as in, +3.1% more melee hits and +3.1% number of WS;

    Pole grip: worst case for pole grip is if you sub war (15%DA), then 1.17/1.15=1.017 so it gives 1.7% more melee hits and 1.7% more WS. ( It's 1.9 % if not WAR SJ). Your WS can also DA, and DA gekko is +53% damage, so you'll do about +50% dmg for one out of 50 WS... so in the end its +1% WS dmg. 1.01*1.017=1.027 so it contibute to +2.7% to WS dmg.

    Sum up: sword strap is +3.1% melee and +3.1% WS.
    pole grip is +1.7% melee and +2.7% WS.

    Now remember that you don't need to use rajas if you use pole grip, can replace it with a toreador if needed, in "a meat build". I used to do that, but finally figured out that keeping rajas with pizza anyway, is the best way to go.

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    War AF2 hands or Alky's for RR? Byakko is being a stingy whore.

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    WAR AF2 Hand don't want to lose the DEX and ACC on this WS however i use Alky with Aggessor up for KJ.

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    What's better at level 54 bird camp for a Samurai, Soboro or polearm or a reg gkt? No merits in either weapon. And what level should Soboro be replaced?

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    I'm not a "maths guy" (largely 'cos I'm lazy), but whenever I exp'd on birds with samurai - or have been in a birds pt with samurai - the ones using polearms always made the ones using soboro look a little bit silly.

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