What's Better?

[Shinryuu]

Regarding DRG polearm:

Gungnir > Love Halberd > Fae (good augments to make it Fork comparable)/Thalasso/V.Fork (if added effect procs and you can use it don't underestimate Thalasso) ~= Gae 5-hit (is supposed to come fairly close or beat the rest but been a while since I did the math on it). Rest doesn't matter.

[Yugl]

Regarding DRG polearm:

Gungnir > Love Halberd > Fae (good augments to make it Fork comparable)/Thalasso/V.Fork (if added effect procs and you can use it don't underestimate Thalasso) ~= Gae 5-hit (is supposed to come fairly close or beat the rest but been a while since I did the math on it). Rest doesn't matter.

If you miss 1-2 hits on that Gae Bolg build, you were short of a 5-hit build. That and I believe it came up short on ACC as well.

Edit: But this post is correct. DO NOT use Cletine.

[Mikus]

Assault Earring vs. Coral Earring with +1str augment for War and Drk. I'm thinking Assault wins, but is it more of a sidegrade then a clear upgrade?

Warrior is 8/8 GA. Drk 0 merits(only 73 atm).

[Cream Soda]

Assault is an upgrade.

1 str is gonna be 25% chance at an fstr up, which for 2hand jobs w/ high base dmg is gonna be a 25% chance at about a 1% increase. 2 acc, provided you're uncapped should be 100% of the time at least a 1% increase.

[warc]

Regarding DRG polearm:

Gungnir > Love Halberd > Fae (good augments to make it Fork comparable)/Thalasso/V.Fork (if added effect procs and you can use it don't underestimate Thalasso) ~= Gae 5-hit (is supposed to come fairly close or beat the rest but been a while since I did the math on it). Rest doesn't matter.

Skystrider/Supremacy doesn't rank up there with top polearms? I use it currently, but have been thinking about changing back to thal/assault in place. I only use drg for lolibri merit pts but I'm sure my acc is suffering regardless.

[Alvinho]

Sorrowful Harp or Piccolo +1 for Threnody?

[Khajit]

String has lower magic acc. Wind instruments are always better unless you want an enhanced range aka sometimes on horde lullaby.

[Kaeda]

Sorrowful Harp or Piccolo +1 for Threnody?

Piccolo +1 if you want it to land since string seems to lower accuracy. I personally don't find the extra +1 on Sorrowful Harp to warrant it a spot in my inventory.

[Thorny]

Generally some form of reasoning helps... /sam lets me solo darkness twice as often via meditate, thus I can pull off the chain every 1 and a half minutes instead of every 3 minutes by rotating between no foot rise and meditate.

On top of that meditate lets me store and build tp while idle, very nice for when waiting to pop an NM in event I can be at 300% walking in.

Following this, /sam out TPs /nin by about 12~13 tpm. The only time I subbed nin was for events like dynamis and einherjar where there were AoE moves utsu helped me avoid.

And really I normally sit at 250~300% tp the whole run from start to finish so /sams tp benifets wouldn't actually be that useful. Other than that dnc/sam wins over dnc/nin.

/sam doesn't outtp nin if you have decent acc gear, sushi, and a joyeuse having shadows to blink aoes is useful, or on the off chance you pull hate

[Shinryuu]

What about /SAM and Joyeuse when all of your TP goes to Cure V-dancing the WAR? That should be the fastest TP gain.

[Wolfknight]

If you miss 1-2 hits on that Gae Bolg build, you were short of a 5-hit build. That and I believe it came up short on ACC as well.

Edit: But this post is correct. DO NOT use Cletine.

um why againist cletine assuming you can get 6-hit to work with it; obivously worse if can't 6-hit with it.

[Raen Ryong]

um why againist cletine assuming you can get 6-hit to work with it

You're having to make more sacrifices than with other Polearms to create this 6hit for a crit bonus which while nice, does not compare to what the higher-tier polearms offer; Thal's additional in particular is very underrated I feel.

[Chen]

v.fork is only equal to thal on your list?

[Wolfknight]

You're having to make more sacrifices than with other Polearms to create this 6hit for a crit bonus which while nice, does not compare to what the higher-tier polearms offer; Thal's additional in particular is very underrated I feel.

well meant for aurum body where you're giving up nothing for it and it's faster.

[Raen Ryong]

I would have to do the sTP maths on it admittedly I remember 480 being awkward compared to 492 but I don't have an Aurum Cuirass so I probably didn't really consider it, since I was working it out to decide for myself whether Thal or Cletine was better for me.

[urat]

/sam doesn't outtp nin if you have decent acc gear, sushi, and a joyeuse having shadows to blink aoes is useful, or on the off chance you pull hate

Joytoy only out tps daggers on low accuracy fights. The loss of like 3 entire skill ranks, offhanding the joytoy resulting in half the DAs, pretty much kills your tp.

In dynamis, campaign, etc, then yes subbing ninja and going cobra dagger with offhand joytoy would be your best bet.

But in a meripo, or soloing, I use azoth + buckler and sub sam for twice the solo SCs along with much higher tp.

Honestly you cant apply high acc and food to subbing ninja while not applying it to samurai. If you have good tp gain with ninja sub using food and have good acc, your sam sub will still tp better with the same things applied.

Please just stop assuming ninjas boosted speed and joytoys double attack = better tp gain without anything to back it up, if you want Ill post my numbers for the fourth time on BG showing sam > nin in the vast majority of situations.

Maybe if you have fort torque and full sword merits using joytoy is worthwhile. Maybe.

[Cream Soda]

Joytoy only out tps daggers on low accuracy fights. The loss of like 3 entire skill ranks, offhanding the joytoy resulting in half the DAs, pretty much kills your tp.

In dynamis, campaign, etc, then yes subbing ninja and going cobra dagger with offhand joytoy would be your best bet.

But in a meripo, or soloing, I use azoth + buckler and sub sam for twice the solo SCs along with much higher tp.

Honestly you cant apply high acc and food to subbing ninja while not applying it to samurai. If you have good tp gain with ninja sub using food and have good acc, your sam sub will still tp better with the same things applied.

Please just stop assuming ninjas boosted speed and joytoys double attack = better tp gain without anything to back it up, if you want Ill post my numbers for the fourth time on BG showing sam > nin in the vast majority of situations.

Maybe if you have fort torque and full sword merits using joytoy is worthwhile. Maybe.

>.> you shouldn't rly go up with throny, you'll lose 90% of the time

Only way you get more tp w/ dagger/dagger to dagger/sword is if you have capped dagger merits, 0 sword merits, and are uncapped acc in BOTH.

As for /sam, you take 1 hit, whether direct or aoe, and have you heal yourself , you wasted any advantage you had, if any to begin with.

[Thunder]

Just want to point out that PCC is better than fort torque.

[Demosthenes11]

maybe i'm just misreading but offhanding joytoy = half the DAs? lol?

[Bakthi]

I'm going to guess he meant "you miss half the DAs". I remember parsing my accuracy offhanding Joyeuse at MJSP and thinking it was acceptable, but I'm afraid I don't have the numbers. It's certainly good enough in Campaign. Given my other jobs, my DNC hasn't done anything else but quests.