What's Better?

[Max™]

Go for maximum enmity, I was comparing a full enmity -hp > max enm/+hp C3 vs a -hp > compromised enm/+hp C4 setup, and the C3 pumped out more hate.

With absolutely perfect gear and shit like serket/vivian rings, lolsattva, and choice augmented pieces, you could get a nearly full +Enm C4 cheat, but you can easily get a full +Enm C3 cheat with much less optimal gear.


For comparison, I was doing C3 in about +44 Enm, and C4 could only get about +26.


Also, you don't have to wait ANY time when reducing your max HP before curing.

I had a macro that went as follows:

/equip ring2 "Serket ring"
/equip back "Settler's cape"
/ma "Cure III" <me>
/wait 1
/equip ring2 "Sattva ring"
/equip back "Gigant mantle"

-80 Hp, +110 Hp for a 1 button Cure 3.

[mdkuser]

You meant Arhat's gi +1 right?

Over merit level mobs, you gotta wonder why you're using Nin instead of a real DD job like War or Sam.

Acc/DW is the shizzy though for Mirke.

non meriting means mob weaker than merit mobs for me, i guess i misunderstood if he meant tanking.

[test123]

I remember reading about how good Excalibur is for PLD. Like it's better then burtgang and you should get it before Aegis etc.

However after reading on wiki that the additional effect does not give you any emnity, I don't understand how Excalibur can be any good at all. Joyeuse + Atonement whould be better? What am I missing.

[Thunder]

It's because hate should be fine before a relic/mythic and then all there is to pld is adding damage. Unless you're tanking AV where I'm positive you want burtgang/aegis.

[Shinryuu]

Realistically you're going to want Burtgang/Aegis on 2 mobs in the game (though Aegis is very nice on a lot of stuff) and on the rest Excalibur simply adds killspeed (and reduces safety by not using Haute, I guess).

[Kirschy]

Go for maximum enmity, I was comparing a full enmity -hp > max enm/+hp C3 vs a -hp > compromised enm/+hp C4 setup, and the C3 pumped out more hate.

With absolutely perfect gear and shit like serket/vivian rings, lolsattva, and choice augmented pieces, you could get a nearly full +Enm C4 cheat, but you can easily get a full +Enm C3 cheat with much less optimal gear.


For comparison, I was doing C3 in about +44 Enm, and C4 could only get about +26.


Also, you don't have to wait ANY time when reducing your max HP before curing.

I had a macro that went as follows:

/equip ring2 "Serket ring"
/equip back "Settler's cape"
/ma "Cure III" <me>
/wait 1
/equip ring2 "Sattva ring"
/equip back "Gigant mantle"

-80 Hp, +110 Hp for a 1 button Cure 3.

I'm a hume, so I didn't have many HP choices when making a CureIV Cheat macro =p. But I'm mostly concerned with two types of Cure IIIs. I think I end up dropping like ~8 enmity to gain 200 HP. It feels smarter to lose the enmity instead of having my HP drop for the fraction of a second before the cure fires. If I understand you though, you're saying there's no practical draw-back to having the lower HP/higher enmity+ marco instead?

[Yugl]

I use Askar Body for DRG TP and Heca Body for WS. I'm wondering if Zahak or Ares's is better for WS (I don't have either of those, don't have Aurum.)

Ares for DRG is only in situations where you're soloing or at capped ACC and don't need to maintain a 6-hit build (Aka no SAM sub). The latter I'm not so sure about since I haven't done sTP work for sub NIN, but I'm almost certain sTP won't affect your TP gain.

[Wolfknight]

Ares for DRG is only in situations where you're soloing or at capped ACC and don't need to maintain a 6-hit build (Aka no SAM sub). The latter I'm not so sure about since I haven't done sTP work for sub NIN, but I'm almost certain sTP won't affect your TP gain.

bah I did math if you have rajas or rose grip it does it will still move you up 8 > 7 hit, so still use it.

[Nightfyre]

Ares for DRG is only in situations where you're soloing or at capped ACC and don't need to maintain a 6-hit build (Aka no SAM sub). The latter I'm not so sure about since I haven't done sTP work for sub NIN, but I'm almost certain sTP won't affect your TP gain.

Takes like 8 STP to go from an 8-hit to a 7-hit, so it's entirely feasible. Rajas and Rose if you're using Ares I guess. Could probably get by on Rajas and Brutal alone though since you're taking hits along with a multihit WS.

EDIT: 6 STP with 492 delay = 14 TP/hit * 7 hits = 98 TP. Two extra hits of Drakesbane or a single hit from the mob, I'd say you can safely stick with just Rajas + Brutal for a solo 7-hit.

[Max™]

I'm a hume, so I didn't have many HP choices when making a CureIV Cheat macro =p. But I'm mostly concerned with two types of Cure IIIs. I think I end up dropping like ~8 enmity to gain 200 HP. It feels smarter to lose the enmity instead of having my HP drop for the fraction of a second before the cure fires. If I understand you though, you're saying there's no practical draw-back to having the lower HP/higher enmity+ marco instead?

You only have to hit the lowered HP value for an instant, and by the time your cure starts casting you can be back in full HP+/Enm+ gear.

It gives a larger buffer of options, serket/ether/settler is -120 Hp alone.

[Meat]

I'm a hume, so I didn't have many HP choices when making a CureIV Cheat macro =p. But I'm mostly concerned with two types of Cure IIIs. I think I end up dropping like ~8 enmity to gain 200 HP. It feels smarter to lose the enmity instead of having my HP drop for the fraction of a second before the cure fires. If I understand you though, you're saying there's no practical draw-back to having the lower HP/higher enmity+ marco instead?

How often are you using your cure cheat? There's only about 4 situations that i find myself cure cheating; after a hate reset, start of a fight, before a big skillchain\mb or when I'm at max mp

[Max™]

Yup, that's why I like the incremental nature of C3's with a big C4 for the oh shit I just got roared type moments.

[Kirschy]

Yea, it just seemed like a poor move to lower my HP for the small enmity gain... but I guess you're right, it doesn't matter much since I gain the HP back right away. I don't have settler's cape, but I have some other pieces which I can mess around with fairly easy. I'll see if I can make myself a better cure III macro. Thanks for the input~

I use my Cure Cheat a lot, since I seem to be on PLD when I can't atonement spam. Other than that, I use it in the same places you do, start of a fight, after hate reset, etc...

[Nameless]

I also use cure cheat a lot. Not that I have problem keeping hate from melee or blm, but most of the time I tank I co-tank with an aegis pld. It is really to keep up with him (superior gears overall obviously), who uses cure cheat whenever he lost hate to me. So it is really to keep the same level of hate as him in case he is in trouble and I need to grab hate right away. I just do it whenever my MP is good and got nothing else to do honestly.

PS: also i like the mob facing me better. So it is also a competition type of thing where I want to be the one tanking instead of watching him tank.

[Raen Ryong]

If you don't have a cure cheat, you're not gonna have much fun holding hate in a non-engaged situation. They're so easy to put together too... there is -no- excuse for not having one.

What else are you doing with that excess MP?

[Cream Soda]

Banish nuke

[Raen Ryong]

!

Can solo Light too if you bring an Icarus Wing...

[homerun]

I have the following 3 bodies:
haub +1
Askar
Zahaks

Which would be best for raging rush and kings justice under capped accuracy?

[Karbuncle]

I would have to guess Zahaks, at the very least for Raging Rush.

[Dooom]

For capped acc, I would use Zahak's too, both for RR and KJ.