What's Better?

[Khajit]

Give me your total ATT/ACC/STR/VIT/Weapon base DMG.

ACC = (200) + ((Polearm-200)*.9) + (DEX*.75) + ACC Gear

Assuming im fighting colibri for now although knowing what to do for mamool would be nice too.
88.9% acc on colibri with hasso according to ffxicalc.
thalsocratt so 94 base dmg
atk is 392+10% bonus on af feet once i get em.(the last time I used my drg was just before the feet info came out)
acc is 394.9
str is 102
vit is 75
This was checked without any body or feet on since my ass needs to have af feet for jumps anyway.
High jump is the same only with relic legs instead of ares. I thought it was because they supposedly give an atk bonus too but i cant seem to find any corroborating information now for some reason. I may have to get rid of those.
Oh and food is mithkabobs(add that in if you're bored) since ffxicalc says my acc is capped.

[Drace]

I'd love to see this parse data, cause my data has shown acc no acc bonus, cause over course of a lot of parse I tend to cap my jump acc% but I have enough acc on set to cap for exp mobs, while drg I've seen w/uncapped hit rate during tp tend to parse a similar acc% for their jumps.

Jump Set (Take out Amano on these, I only use Soboro at bird camp) Meat dishes only:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...e/SAMJump2.png


Here's the first few I took some screenshots of, have a good 800k xp that looks exactly like this:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...DRGJumpACC.png


Either I have permanently glitched ACC bonus for my jumps, or there is an acc bonus on it >_>

[Yugl]

Assuming im fighting colibri for now although knowing what to do for mamool would be nice too.
88.9% acc on colibri with hasso according to ffxicalc.
thalsocratt so 94 base dmg
atk is 392+10% bonus on af feet once i get em.(the last time I used my drg was just before the feet info came out)
acc is 394.9
str is 102
vit is 75
This was checked without any body or feet on since my ass needs to have af feet for jumps anyway.
High jump is the same only with relic legs instead of ares. I thought it was because they supposedly give an atk bonus too but i cant seem to find any corroborating information now for some reason. I may have to get rid of those.
Oh and food is mithkabobs(add that in if you're bored) since ffxicalc says my acc is capped.

Use Hecatomb Harness if you can do the Jump without starting thee next attack round (You'll take a Slow% hit on your next swing if you melee while wearing it).

As for the details on AF, here is the list of "Theories" that have come over time:

-AF Feet give Critical hit boost (Sort of tested on KI, but nothing major)
- AF Legs give greater enmity reduction (Estimated, no real tests)
- AF Feet give ATT% Bonus, Elmer presented a book that detailed FFXI secrets. Although the book was sketchy (Admitted by Elmer himself), it did show that the Mithran Hunter Scythe had a hidden Perp Reduction for Dark elements.

Once FFXIGEAR gets working again (Or when I get unlazy), I'll check a full Crit v full Ares set to see which is superior.

[Wolfknight]

Jump Set (Take out Amano on these, I only use Soboro at bird camp) Meat dishes only:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...e/SAMJump2.png


Here's the first few I took some screenshots of, have a good 800k xp that looks exactly like this:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...DRGJumpACC.png


Either I have permanently glitched ACC bonus for my jumps, or there is an acc bonus on it >_>

that really doesn't show much cause assuming you're using soboro/mythril +1/Yoichi for bird with hasso always up, My calc says you're at 91/93% acc for jumps depending on bird level.

[FailureMidgard]

Jump Set (Take out Amano on these, I only use Soboro at bird camp) Meat dishes only:

Here's the first few I took some screenshots of, have a good 800k xp that looks exactly like this:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y18...DRGJumpACC.png


Either I have permanently glitched ACC bonus for my jumps, or there is an acc bonus on it >_>

You realize Soboro can proc on Jumps, and that's almost definitely where your hidden accuracy bonus is coming from?

Assume you have an 85% accuracy, and Soboro distribution is 30/50/20.

.15*.3+.15*.15*.5+.15*.15*.15*.2=.045+.01125+.0006 75=.056925 miss rate.

[Wolfknight]

You realize Soboro can proc on Jumps, and that's almost definitely where your hidden accuracy bonus is coming from?

Assume you have an 85% accuracy, and Soboro distribution is 30/50/20.

.15*.3+.15*.15*.5+.15*.15*.15*.2=.045+.01125+.0006 75=.056925 miss rate.

oh right I completely forgot about that, explains it for sure.

[Mateuns7]

I've got a little scenario I need worked out. I have about 4mil, and I need two black belt items @2mil each. However, 35usu head just dropped for me and I'm 4/12 oingots, and so would be much easier to get than going to king camps at odd hours.

My main question: since I'm not 5/5 usu yet, would usu head even be worth getting? I'm guessing not, since I use pizza, making turban the clear winner. Should I just put all my time and money into the last two black belt items (even though it would take me forever as opposed to getting usu)?

my current tp and ws sets are on ffxiah for reference. can't post links yet.

[Stromgarde]

Black Belt is godly. Usukane head is situational at best for monk.

[FailureMidgard]

I've got a little scenario I need worked out. I have about 4mil, and I need two black belt items @2mil each. However, 35usu head just dropped for me and I'm 4/12 oingots, and so would be much easier to get than going to king camps at odd hours.

My main question: since I'm not 5/5 usu yet, would usu head even be worth getting? I'm guessing not, since I use pizza, making turban the clear winner. Should I just put all my time and money into the last two black belt items (even though it would take me forever as opposed to getting usu)?

my current tp and ws sets are on ffxiah for reference. can't post links yet.

Black Belt is a way bigger upgrade, both in the item itself, and in the upgrade:gil ratio...it's entirely on you just how much of a pain it is.

[threepoll]

TP: Hachiryu if you need the STP

What fucking store TP are people referring to? someone mentioned hachiryu kote as well for rng for the store TP. What rng actually has the body for the set bonus?

[Johnblaze]

You get store TP when you have more than one piece of that set.

[Vodou]

What fucking store TP are people referring to? someone mentioned hachiryu kote as well for rng for the store TP. What rng actually has the body for the set bonus?

Oddly, you get no stp if you wear only 1/4.

For 2/4, you get 5, for 3/4 you get 10 and 4/4 you get 20. I have not seen the test of this, but seems like its generally accepted.

I can vouch for the results of 1/4 and 2/4 as correct.

[mdkuser]

Pretty sure he was talking to pchan's friend.

The correct answer is Toreador if acc is uncapped. Mdkuser's point is that if you're sitting at 85 acc and using meat, you should be using pizza, which will cap your accuracy making the attack better.

In any case, 1 acc is better than 3 attack in all situations where you aren't capped accuracy. If you have other locations where you can cap accuracy, however, gaining 3 attack for a 1 accuracy loss is a pretty nice trade off.

that's my point of view. But its neither a "toreador vs divisor" ring question. its always a toreador ring setup vs a divisor ring set up. If you need accuracy its better to find it on other slots/food than switching to +1 acc on the ring.


ALso, psilos mantle isn't better than foragers. Blankly stating that 1 acc is better than X amount of attack is wrong.

[rmtbot9000]

I got the salade with the STR +4, AGI +4, WS acc +15, and WS dmg +2% augments for my RNG but i've been using it for my THF as well. I'm wondering since i'm almost up for heca cap if its worth getting for THF WS setup or save my points and stick with the salade.

my current ws set is:
x's/thief (blau when not events)/bomblet
salade/torque/delta/hollow
skadi/heca/thunder/rajas
foragers/cuchulain/heca/heca

I know I need cuchulain mantle for back but don't really have the $ atm. food is usually pizza.

[Drace]

You realize Soboro can proc on Jumps, and that's almost definitely where your hidden accuracy bonus is coming from?

Assume you have an 85% accuracy, and Soboro distribution is 30/50/20.

.15*.3+.15*.15*.5+.15*.15*.15*.2=.045+.01125+.0006 75=.056925 miss rate.

Yea thats gotta be it, /facepalm that I didn't think of that impacting acc figures before. I hardly ever use/ parse my DRG so the only time I have looked at Jump acc in detail is Amano or Soboro SAM.

[FailureMidgard]

Yea thats gotta be it, /facepalm that I didn't think of that impacting acc figures before. I hardly ever use/ parse my DRG so the only time I have looked at Jump acc in detail is Amano or Soboro SAM.

Which means if you care about TP return on jumps, you may want to change your jump gear for more accuracy ;p

[Drace]

Which means if you care about TP return on jumps, you may want to change your jump gear for more accuracy ;p

Yea that was actually my first thought on it - thats 90% of the benefit for it on Soboro SAM. Going to definitely make adjustments for bird camp acc levels now x_x

[FailureMidgard]

that's my point of view. But its neither a "toreador vs divisor" ring question. its always a toreador ring setup vs a divisor ring set up. If you need accuracy its better to find it on other slots/food than switching to +1 acc on the ring.


ALso, psilos mantle isn't better than foragers. Blankly stating that 1 acc is better than X amount of attack is wrong.

Please don't tell me that you feel 3attack and 3attack3str are the same thing...

1acc is always better than 3attack if you are uncapped on accuracy. I will say that, because it is true. However, in the case of Psilos, you are comparing 1acc to 3attk3str, which ignoring the fSTR, is comparing 1acc to 5attk at least.

[pchan]

1acc is always better than 3attack if you are uncapped on accuracy.

No. Blanket statement, as mdkuser said. Look, I found 3 typical situations where it's wrong

*colibri (324 def average), double march, monk
400 base attack, kabob, dia II

3 attack makes the average pdif go from 1.223 to 1.235 which is +1%, which is much better than what 1 accuracy gives any day of the week.


*Salvage boss (340 def) with typical attack food (+80), 400 base attack, dia II

3 attack makes the pdif go from 1.212 to 1.224 (+0.97%)

*MMJ merits, pizza (+50 attack), 400 base attack, dia II, mobs have around 340 def

pdif goes from 1.094 to 1.106 (+1%)

[Cream Soda]

Forgot to apply attack's increase to the DoT/WS split