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[willriker]

Or perhaps you can fight JoL in its normal spot. But just before death, lure it back into the Alcove. This way AV's Spawn point (always the same as JoL's position of death) is deep within the alcove.

This has the advantage of ensuring that AV stays within the alcove, even if your group wipes. He will always return to its spawn point, which cooincides with JoL's place of death.
Another advantage is that our current strategies for JoL are still usable. You wont need to deal with the Aerns linking to JoL's adds as you diaga to pull them away.

All youll really need is a nice fealty + Sentinel, to prevent yourself from a charm or unlucky one shot TP move as you pass under JoL, as you kite it back inside the alcove before your LS gets in the kill shot.

I dunno, if your going to test the idea, thats how i would do it.

[xxxTheDudexxx]

Quick question, sorry if has already been mentioned, was av facing any particular direction when "readys" occurs? Also, were there any certain. Jobs surrounding or engaged to av? Thanks

[Korremar]

Quick question, sorry if has already been mentioned, was av facing any particular direction when "readys" occurs? Also, were there any certain. Jobs surrounding or engaged to av? Thanks

Oh dear.

[TheMysteriousX]

SE should totally make a WoTG HNM on the level of AV that reacts to direction and dead taru's, just to fuck with us.

[Lemming]

Yes. He was always surrounded by tank jobs...
I wonder what this could mean.
: P

[Cairthenn]

If you play the official video backwards you can hear the secret to Meteor.

[willriker]

If you play the official video backwards you can hear the secret to Meteor.

LOL

[Yinnyth]

To be honest, once you lock AV's call wyvern, I dont see why the aerns in the alcove would be any issue at all. Of course... thats once you lock Call Wyvern. Yeah there will be even more chaos than usual while dealing with the wyverns. But, that should subside in a bit. The real challenge will be to kill JoL in the Alcove. You wont be able to stop it from calling out its pets to play. While on AV, if you are very lucky, you can stop the wyverns from apearing more than once.

You are talking about fighting AV roughly where the ??? for JoL pops, yes? What's keeping the aerns from linking to AV in this situation?

[Cairthenn]

You are talking about fighting AV roughly where the ??? for JoL pops, yes? What's keeping the aerns from linking to AV in this situation?

Magic.

Spoiler: show

Killing them, hur dur?

[Yinnyth]

So then Will's message here is that aerns are troublesome when AV has wynavs, but they present no difficulty when wynavs go bye?

[Lemming]

He's saying they're more manageable once you don't have to deal with the wyverns as well.
Really depends on the size of your group.

[Virtuous Saint]

Any random moron can hold those 3 aerns indefinitely just out of the alcove btw, which easily could have been what SE did, but most likely they just kept them from spawning.

[Sylvrdragon]

Here's another stupid speculation to add to the pile:

If (and that's a big fucking If) fighting in the Alcove will lower Meteor damage consistently, then perhaps it has something to do with the Meteor damage formula. Here's the stupid part: What if Meteor's max damage is based on how much area it would hit?

If I can, I'll try to test it on KS99 Behemoth or SW Apollyon, though I don't think it likely at this time.

[drwaffles]

Here's another stupid speculation to add to the pile:

If (and that's a big fucking If) fighting in the Alcove will lower Meteor damage consistently, then perhaps it has something to do with the Meteor damage formula. Here's the stupid part: What if Meteor's max damage is based on how much area it would hit?

If I can, I'll try to test it on KS99 Behemoth or SW Apollyon, though I don't think it likely at this time.

Do you really think that if Meteor was easily survivable provided you fight inside the alcove no one would've noticed by now? I've personally been faceraped by Meteor at AV's pop spot before... stop being fucking retarded, either discuss something factual and useful or just don't say anything at all.

Edit: who am I kidding? Nothing useful will come from this thread until someone tests something and posts results. Sad thing is that was evident weeks ago.

[Lemming]

Theoretically, I don't believe spell effects stop at walls like that since there's more terrain up above the min-cliff. It's just not accessible by players. If there was a player up there I believe he would still get hit. Now they probably do stop where there is no further terrain.

[Cairthenn]

So then Will's message here is that aerns are troublesome when AV has wynavs, but they present no difficulty when wynavs go bye?

You're a master of comprehension. Three mobs is less than six.

[Sylvrdragon]

Do you really think that if Meteor was easily survivable provided you fight inside the alcove no one would've noticed by now? I've personally been faceraped by Meteor at AV's pop spot before... stop being fucking retarded, either discuss something factual and useful or just don't say anything at all.

Edit: who am I kidding? Nothing useful will come from this thread until someone tests something and posts results. Sad thing is that was evident weeks ago.

I didn't propose the theory dickhead, Gtype did. He also says that he's recreated the situation and there seems to be an effect. After tests are run to eliminate variables (Which has supposedly been done to some extent), you propose a Hypothesis. That's what I did; it's called Science asshole, and if you don't like it, then maybe YOU'RE the one shitting up the thread.

And yes, I DO think that people might not have noticed by now. As stated above, how long did it take people to figure out the locking of 2hrs even AFTER we started testing the correct method? Perhaps the TARGET of the Meteor was NOT inside the alcove when you got faceraped, or a dozen other possibilities (no, I'm not looking to debate this with you. Your "evidence" is anecdotal and uncontrolled, and therefore not suitable for our purposes. Come back when you actively and purposely test the shit)

[Cairthenn]

I didn't propose the theory dickhead, Gtype did. He also says that he's recreated the situation and there seems to be an effect. After tests are run to eliminate variables (Which has supposedly been done to some extent), you propose a Hypothesis. That's what I did; it's called Science asshole, and if you don't like it, then maybe YOU'RE the one shitting up the thread.

And yes, I DO think that people might not have noticed by now. As stated above, how long did it take people to figure out the locking of 2hrs even AFTER we started testing the correct method? Perhaps the TARGET of the Meteor was NOT inside the alcove when you got faceraped, or a dozen other possibilities (no, I'm not looking to debate this with you. Your "evidence" is anecdotal and uncontrolled, and therefore not suitable for our purposes. Come back when you actively and purposely test the shit)

You mad? I can tell by the caps lock and seeing many mads in my time.

[drwaffles]

I was referring to all the idiots spewing bullshit, not you specifically. The word "hypothesis" has absolutely no place in this thread right now - Gtype is an even bigger idiot than you, and the fact that you're even considering basing an ultimately useless hypothesis on his testimony is hilarious.

[vagus]

Someone with a fomor NM weapon crafted go and hit AV and give us some results please.