Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Cairthenn]

Not saying I think any current "theory" isn't retarded, but what would have happened had someone suggested matching 2hrs two years ago? They would have been torn to pieces by people like you. There is no logic behind matching 2hrs, but that's how AV is coded. So why is logic required in a method to weaken/lock the last (known) hurdle?

There really isn't. For some reason these morons are just exceedingly rampant in the fact that this theory is more plausible than anything else based off some nonsense an unreliable source (Gtype) put together.

Rambling off nonsense theories (this is a nonsensical theory) is not helpful. Testing them yourself is. Having someone else test your nonsense theory probably isn't, they have their own nonsense to test.

[drwaffles]

Not saying I think any current "theory" isn't retarded, but what would have happened had someone suggested matching 2hrs two years ago? They would have been torn to pieces by people like you. There is no logic behind matching 2hrs, but that's how AV is coded. So why is logic required in a method to weaken/lock the last (known) hurdle?

And we would've been right to call it retarded. Before the official video there would've been little logical basis for proposing that strategy (although admittedly more than this alcove shit). If someone had proposed it, it would've been pretty much dumb luck that they hit the nail on the head. Like I said, if fighting AV at the alcove is the key by some freak twist then I'll gladly concede, but I won't apologize for saying it was retarded to discuss it with no evidence to support it whatsoever.

[Byrthnoth]

We need to kill a bunch of Galkas and stack them under AV so he's on higher ground than the rest of us. Then when he casts Meteor it won't hit anyone due to the height difference.

[willriker]

If someone had proposed it, it would've been pretty much dumb luck that they hit the nail on the head.

It was proposed before the video. it was tested. but at the time people thought that it would stop AV's two hours. they did not realize that the two hour being used would continue, but never be used again if locked up correctly. Then the video came out.

matching two hours was tested again, at this point more people laughed before tests were done than before. i am not saying that people were not successful in locking AV's two hours during this round of testing. But i am saying that the chances of observing that AV never used the two hour again is rather small unless you locked up a signifigant fraction of AV's two hours. No observable changes were recorded with AV, and the theory was debunked yet again.

Every time it was mentioned someone took your exact position regarding testing this theory. and rightfully so, given that it was tested many times before.

So, yes one of the major hurdles to defeating AV (locking his two hours up) was proposed by shear luck/intuition. It was as much of a crackpot theory as Ebon Panels. But, it took until the OP of this thread to proved the theory was indeed correct.

[Lovex]

I wonder if the mods actually know the nonsense being posted in this thread as of late.

I'm surprised this hasn't been locked tbh, lol.

An on topic note. I don't think fighting AV in a specific position to reduce or stop
AV from casting meteor is sucha ridiculous idea.


Most people in this thread are already in shells capable of testing these theories.
Maybe testing them yourselves is a better approach then asking others to do it as Cair said.

Most people either don't care anymore or are out testing their own bogus theories.

[Hanyoko]

One thing i'm curious about is.... Are the Jailer's 2hrs able to be locked also? Not that it matters considering their ease; mostly for the science of the matter.

[Cairthenn]

One thing i'm curious about is.... Are the Jailer's 2hrs able to be locked also? Not that it matters considering their ease; mostly for the science of the matter.

I actually tried this and no, they aren't.

[drwaffles]

It was proposed before the video. it was tested. but at the time people thought that it would stop AV's two hours. they did not realize that the two hour being used would continue, but never be used again if locked up correctly. Then the video came out.

matching two hours was tested again, at this point more people laughed before tests were done than before. i am not saying that people were not successful in locking AV's two hours during this round of testing. But i am saying that the chances of observing that AV never used the two hour again is rather small unless you locked up a signifigant fraction of AV's two hours. No observable changes were recorded with AV, and the theory was debunked yet again.

Every time it was mentioned someone took your exact position regarding testing this theory. and rightfully so, given that it was tested many times before.

So, yes one of the major hurdles to defeating AV (locking his two hours up) was proposed by shear luck/intuition. It was as much of a crackpot theory as Ebon Panels. But, it took until the OP of this thread to proved the theory was indeed correct.

Right. Let's see what happened in that case though - instead of proposing the theory on BG and leaving it at that, the groups in question actually went out and tested locking the 2hrs. They then (eventually) reported their findings here and progress was indeed made. That's how "people like me" think things should be done, and with good bloody reason.

[thetruepandagod]

In all honesty fighting in the alcove isn't the dumbest thing that has been mentioned in this thread, and it is probably the easiest one to prove or disprove. Why is Gtype not going out and fighting AV in the alcove, if meteor is only doing 250damage to you while u are in there how the fuck are you still wiping you essentially have a very killable AV. It takes a half assed attempt and maybe an hr or so to disprove this, if no one else does it then i will just so people stop talking about how legitimate of a theory it is.

[Titanss]

I wonder if the mods actually know the nonsense being posted in this thread as of late.

I'm surprised this hasn't been locked tbh, lol.

fuck locking this I say . Mods don't want it locked because then they gotta lock a new AV thread some idiot puts up every couple of weeks..Let this run its course till AV or the game dies. My money's on the game 1st who knows, who cares.

[Virtuous Saint]

In all honesty fighting in the alcove isn't the dumbest thing that has been mentioned in this thread, and it is probably the easiest one to prove or disprove. Why is Gtype not going out and fighting AV in the alcove, if meteor is only doing 250damage to you while u are in there how the fuck are you still wiping you essentially have a very killable AV. It takes a half assed attempt and maybe an hr or so to disprove this, if no one else does it then i will just so people stop talking about how legitimate of a theory it is.

Exactly lol, why is Gtype talking about testing if leaving Manafont as the last unlocked 2hr (Impossible btw, no way any ls would ever do this, but GL to him if he tries) locked Meteor if he already knows how to fully weaken Meteor? Lol;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

If I knew how to make every Meteor do 250 damage we would have killed countless AVs by now;/.

[pendragoon]

Being somewhat hypocritical at this moment, but I'd rather see 2100 posts of completely stupid theories (and some not so stupid) than 2050 posts about how other peoples theories are absolutely retarded.

I don't see why anyone would complain about people posting their untested ideas.. 1st, not everyone has an unlimited amount of JoL (AV) pops at their disposal. 2nd, no matter how smart anyone in my LS is, the bank of knowledge isn't comparable to all of the people that read these forums or post in this thread.

As all of the logical/smart theories seemed to have been played out with little progress or completion, we should be looking towards the not so obvious, not so logical theories.

Other than that, to the people putting down everyone else's ideas, without giving us any of their own: Post a theory more intelligent than the dumb theory you're putting down. (Unless you cant do better than stupid.)

[drwaffles]

Being somewhat hypocritical at this moment, but I'd rather see 2100 posts of completely stupid theories (and some not so stupid) than 2050 posts about how other peoples theories are absolutely retarded.

I don't see why anyone would complain about people posting their untested ideas.. 1st, not everyone has an unlimited amount of JoL (AV) pops at their disposal. 2nd, no matter how smart anyone in my LS is, the bank of knowledge isn't comparable to all of the people that read these forums or post in this thread.

As all of the logical/smart theories seemed to have been played out with little progress or completion, we should be looking towards the not so obvious, not so logical theories.

Other than that, to the people putting down everyone else's ideas, without giving us any of their own: Post a theory more intelligent than the dumb theory you're putting down. (Unless you cant do better than stupid.)

Or everyone could go test their retarded ideas themselves, the alternative being shutting the fuck up. Hope to God this gets locked, although I'm with Mojo now and not even going to click it unless someone tells me something interesting has been posted. I think that would've been the smart thing to do several pages ago.

[cycl]

I'm with Mojo now and not even going to click it unless someone tells me something interesting has been posted. I think that would've been the smart thing to do several pages ago.

You do have 20% of the posts on this page....

[Cairthenn]

You do have 20% of the posts on this page....

You do not have simple comprehension skills like 80% of the people in this thread...‮‮

[tonystigma]

You do not have simple comprehension skills like 80% of the people in this thread...‮‮

And you're one of the shittiest fucking trolls I've had the displeasure of reading through in awhile. Whoever said the thread should stay open just so we don't get new AV threads was right, but I think it needs Tekki-level moderation (with more follow-through of course).

Cairthenn, you need to relax. Jesus.

[Sylvrdragon]

I'd rather read stupid AV theories all day than read countless people bitching about how AV isn't beatable.

To change the subject; one thing Gtype mentioned that might (accidentally) be useful is that in the fight were he observed reduced Meteor damage, it was Lightsday. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Alcove of being a factor in reduced Meteor Damage.

I don't remember if the 2 hour JoL+AV timer was in effect when they made the videos, but wasn't it noted that the days in the video were Iceday, Lightningsday and Lightsday? Those days are right in a row and Iceday would make sense to weaken AV's Aero moves. Perhaps AV's moves are affected more heavily by the Vana-day than normal mobs.

Perhaps if you killed JoL during the tail end of Iceday, it would give you a better fighting chance of getting through AV's Aero spells during the Locking/Regen killing stage of the fight. Perhaps you are then expected to spend the better part of Lightningsday getting him to 59% and try to synchronize that event with Lightsday starting. Once Meteor is taken off the big threat list, then you won't have to keep Melee back as much and can perhaps finish him off.

So, say you pop JoL at 1200 on Iceday, spend 15-20 mins (?) killing it (is that enough time to get to Phuabo pets and kill half of AV's regen?), then 10-15 mins to lock Chainspell with Iceday still up. One hour of Lightningday to kill Regen and the other 2hrs and get him to ~60%. That only leaves you a half hour to get him from 59% to dead... which would be harder because of the Defense bonus from Bracelets...


TL;DR: Lightsday might have something to do with reducing Meteor.

[Siniroth]

He's not killing it becaause his LS is as skeptical as you all are? Calling it retarded is fine (if that requires changing my stance on the matter, so be it, safe face whatever you want to insinuate with that, be my guest), any suggestions it shouldn't be tested at all is however just as retarded as you claim the idea is.

There could be any number of factors as to why you took full damage, you were the only one hit (unlikely), AV moved to far away from spawn point once (also unlikely), AV was too far away from spawn point at time of casting (possible), it's just a severely increased chance of resistance (possible, I guess, is this how signet works with resisting stuff from mobs EM or lower that are cast/used on you? or is signet just reduced damage taken and + evasion to you?)

When did you get hit in the alcove? If it was after this thread was created I'll give you the focusing on unusual things, but I'd still like indisputable proof if it at all becomes available before I completely write off the theory as plausible.

Also, the fact that there's precedent of mobs reacting to even specific co-ordinates in a zone, increases plausibility, the thought that it doesn't tells me you have no fucking clue what plausibility is, I'm sure SE could have put in the 'specific co-ordinates' to point to 'any point in the alcove'

I'm still not seeing any reason it shouldn't be tested when the fucking emote theory was

[Tulun]

The whole elemental day theory may hold further water beyond regen; maybe enfeebs enmass or nukes of a particular element (weak , same, strong against) corresponds to weakened magic attack. Who knows?

But as there is no direct clue on meteor, it really could be any number of stupid things. Regen (for example) being connected to spells of the day being cast and Love is only clear because it was stated so. otherwise I'm sure we'd never have known.

I think the biggest problem facing testing AV in the first place is the fact that there are so few shells that can even bring him down to the level where he ruins everyone's shit. Likely this is why everyone is so negative; when the shells that can do it only have so much patience to test random bullshit, it's hard to motivate. Most shells don't necessarily have the relics / bodies / skill / willpower to do it. And those that do may not be able to do it often... and there isn't a clear sort of direction.
Whatever people capable that really want to test AV bullshit need to band together on a single server and just giver.
But that won't happen

[Demosthenes11]

And before you talk shit and ask why we have 5 JOL pops... We run a sea LS, and we follow a schedule and we try to do 3-4 of he same jailer to increase chances of torques dropping instead of doing 1 of each jailer. And alot of people want hope torques and justice torques and not everything revolves around people who want novio earrings and mars's rings. So we don't do JOL ever damn week and planning for AV can take up to a fucking month. You just dont show up to his ass like you do for king behemoth.

...you can't tell someone they are dumb and then post something like that lol