Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Demosthenes11]

if you do 5 jailer of justice in a row with TH4. You increase the damn torque rate to drop. If you do 1 jailer of justice then leave that day... someone will come along and pop the damn jailer until it drops a torque that day. Then when you go to pop another jailer ONE justice the next day, it might not drop again. Don't be stupid, thats logic. We get a torque everytime we do sea so we are doing right. We also get C-legs and Hecta from kirin instead of that "we are 0/40 on C-legs cause for 1 year cause we only do 2 kirin per day when we hav 6 pops" (like everyone else says).

lmfao

[Kaeko]

Got bored, made this. Doesn't count stuff in people's sig. Just FYI.



http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5792/asdfasdfs.png

[Sylvrdragon]

if you do 5 jailer of justice in a row with TH4. You increase the damn torque rate to drop. If you do 1 jailer of justice then leave that day... someone will come along and pop the damn jailer until it drops a torque that day. Then when you go to pop another jailer ONE justice the next day, it might not drop again. Don't be stupid, thats logic. We get a torque everytime we do sea so we are doing right. We also get C-legs and Hecta from kirin instead of that "we are 0/40 on C-legs cause for 1 year cause we only do 2 kirin per day when we hav 6 pops" (like everyone else says).

I can't really ridicule you for thinking this way, as I think that most people make the same mistake until they are taught otherwise. It's so common, in fact, that is has it's own name: Gambler's Fallacy

[shepardG]

Kaeko just fucking won the thread....

Someone lock this and let's start over, and possibly include a rule, that you get a 24hr ban, if you post a theroy without testing it yourself, and providing screenshots.

[Sylvrdragon]

Well, I tried.

[Demosthenes11]

Yea is a good read and I do count cards in blackjack. As such I also do casino in FF11 and made over 50mil that way. I go in a corner and random till iI get a 2 digit number 3 times in a row... the next number is a very high chance of beng a 900... dont ask me why but it always is. If it isn't a 900 its over a 600 and for some rare reason if I roll a 2 digit number a 4th time, the next number will just be a winning number. Whenever I roll a 900 and win in casino, I go to a corner and random a bunch of a bunch of numbers off till i get a bunch of 2 digits again. Then I play the casino person and rack up. You always bid low then double up to their max. Some noob casino players make the min max bid too big of a gap... but somehow still pay you when you raped them of 8mil in 10 mins.

Back to your wiki link....
If I flip 1 coin and I need heads only once and I get tails.. I lose.
If I flip 10 coins, and I only need heads once, I will most likely get at least 1 heads in 10 coin flips. If I got 10 tails, I would shit my pants in surprise
. I'm a firm believer that the FF system has at least 1 defending ring that MUST drop off KB per year minimum, (lol) (even though it really is random.) Now, there is a possibility that you can get 10 tails in a row... but I don't believe in miracles. The more you do something, the higher your chances incrase for getting the item you want period. This does not include casino's from in real life, where they are built to have you fail 99% of the time. That is gambler's fallacy and that is a huge disease.

Either way we pop 4 of each jailer and we always get at least 1 torque that way for us its been working.

as for LMFAO..... It wasn't that funny guy.... Your "ass" been "laughing off" too much, go clean it lol. And i'm bored, I'm just messing around while I update my FF update finally.

I tried telling the world they were wrong about everything and they didn't listen. you and me together man

[Siniroth]

I do love the drop rate thought retardation posts whenever they get made

[Nermie]

if you do 5 jailer of justice in a row with TH4. You increase the damn torque rate to drop. If you do 1 jailer of justice then leave that day... someone will come along and pop the damn jailer until it drops a torque that day. Then when you go to pop another jailer ONE justice the next day, it might not drop again. Don't be stupid, thats logic.

I sure hope that SE hired a more competent programmer than this. Hopefully one that understands probability theory and games of chance.

http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p...ling-gtype.jpg

[Mojo]

Got bored, made this. Doesn't count stuff in people's sig. Just FYI.



http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5792/asdfasdfs.png

Breaking my vow of silence to say that this is amazing.

[willriker]

Well more on pic than rants about random number generators...

I agree that most LS cannot bring AV down to the point where Bracelets Meteor is an issue. I would go so far as to say that most LS cannot bring AV to 79%, where meteor is added back into AV's spell list. AV is not an easy fight, and even for the best of LS's people die all the time during the course of the fight. Most LS cannot survive long enough to lock AV's regeneration... let alone its two hours.

When you combine how difficult AV is with the fact that just about any LS can take down JoL... and you can see where all the interest about AV comes from. Its only natural to think that you can do well against AV when JoL is so easy. So you have many people here who have done a few JoL's come in and see if they can contribute to this puzzle. But, these same people do not stand a chance of bringing AV down to 79% or Bracelets.

Most LS do not have enough members for AV. Most LS dont have the skill involved in bringing AV down. And those who try find how dificult AV actualy is. After that it becomes more difficult to motivate its members to try this again.

Then you have the older LS's. These often have the members for this endevor, but they lack the motivation to go out and test, yet another, AV. Thats where i am at this moment. I can count how many people in the ls who wouldnt mind doing another AV on my fingers. I can count how many are excited to try another AV on one hand. People who have tested this stuff, and are capable of bringing AV down in HP% are finding it difficult to test this stuff.

So saying that people should be 24 hour banned, or what ever, for posting in an AV thread without testing a theory themselves AND including pictures is dumb. Not only does a policy like that prevent discuission but it also prevents brainstorming of ideas. Calling people retarded also injures the process of brainstorming ideas. And thats what AV threads are, people brainstorm ideas until one pops up that seems viable enough that people are willing to attempt it. If anything, people should get 24 hr bans for thrashing other peoples ideas instead of offering instructive criticism. hehe or offering suggestions that have already been tried before.

Its been long understood that when you join an AV thread you are here to read speculation, brainstorming, and theory's. Some ideas are going to be good. Most ideas are not going to be good. This is the way things go in AV threads.

[shepardG]

Alright, now I've never "bashed" anyone for even the most outlandish ideas.
Also wall of text, CONTRIBUTING NOTHING TO KILLING AV. 80% of this thread is arguing about the thread itself. 10% is theories, and 9% is facts. I just wanted a thread with facts.

Also, you started a sentance with "hehe", which for some reason made me want to strike you in the nostrils with a baseball bat. :-/
Nothing personal mind you.

[Titanss]

http://img217.imageshack.us/i/meteorn.jpg/

what % is av in that pic?

[Cairthenn]

Got bored, made this. Doesn't count stuff in people's sig. Just FYI.

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http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5792/asdfasdfs.png

Oh dear God, genius. Not to say I haven't been particularly bitchy because I know I have, but honestly some of these theories are just headache-inducing.

[Virtuous Saint]

what % is av in that pic?

That person either had fealty active or it was not a bracelets Meteor, take that to the bank lol.

[Titanss]

something did seem wrong there..

unless he has just been trolling us and they are about to get a kill

[Talka]

I'm thinking scholars. Lots of them. Fuck with the weather! /slap

[NynJa]

I'm a firm believer that the FF system has at least 1 defending ring that MUST drop off KB per year minimum, (lol) (even though it really is random.)

There was a time frame in which Gilgamesh didnt see one for 2 years.

[Virtuous Saint]

Yea you can still hold a mob with a mule, but I think SE original intention is for someone to survive or run from meteor.
If they gave us a way to lower his instant cast time, we could run, macro in a few things etc. When he uses manafont he has chainspell active which is cheating lol. (In a sense that his spells are already chainspell speed and cannot get interruptted by hitting him)

Why can't you call it what it is instead of using ridiculously incorrect terms? AV has instant cast at all times during the fight, not Chainspell. If it had Chainspell at all times, it would not stop casting until it ran out of targets to cast on;/.

[Virtuous Saint]

Told you that wasn't Linkshells AV, it was from another person in the thread.
It was during manafont, and manafont meteors are the same as bracelets meteors. Thats the wrong pic though cause 6 ppl died from that meteor so that obviously was not a resisted meteor pic that I was looking for.

They also stated fealty was not on. I am looking for bartletts pics or a pic by one of bartletts posts. It shows resists from everyone so low that it can't just be a lucky resist.

Manafont Meteor are not the same as bracelets Meteors^^. Read OP. Also just because someone posted 'fealty wasn't up in this pic durka durka' doesn't mean it is so^^. Find the pic you are talking about.

[Titanss]

ya I wanna see this pic


don't be bullshittin