Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Worlace]

Coincidently, SE ran a competition last month where people could buy "marbles" and be entered into a "lottery" to win prizes.

Then why pick Raphael's Rod?

[Therin]

Then why pick Raphael's Rod?

Most linkshells that have killed AV will sell you a Raphael's Rod for less than 10M since it's pretty much complete and utter crap. If you want one for the novelty I'm sure you could find one.

[jaryk]

Even when PW was defeated, it wasn't a secret for more than 5 minutes. You can't fart on a server without someone knowing. Rich players having PW and AV gear means nothing, it just means they found a seller for the right price. I'll believe it when I see a drop pic or when a ls starts selling off Sash's and Rings on a regular basis.

[Titanss]

Defeated Finally......

you better start talking asshole, otherwise welcome to Shawshank

[drwaffles]

As a general rule of thumb it's not smart to listen to anything Gtype says.

[The Stig]

you better start talking asshole, otherwise welcome to Shawshank

YOU EAT WHEN WE SAY YOU EAT! YOU
PISS WHEN WE SAY YOU PISS! YOU SHIT
WHEN WE SAY YOU SHIT! YOU SLEEP
WHEN WE SAY YOU SLEEP! YOU MAGGOT-
DICK MOTHERFUCKER!

(edit: was this line even in the book? i forget...)

[Eriaxa]

I have 2 Questions I would like answered before me and my LS gives this an attempt in 2 weeks.

1. Once bracelet mode has been reached has anyone tried putting 12 monks into the alliance have all of them hundred fist using penance and formless strikes to see how low you can take him with non-elemental damage?

2. Has anyone got the evoliths to make a decent Vs Lumionion set? I think they specifically added these evoliths to make AV easier for us noobs..


Any feedback would be Great thanks

[drwaffles]

1. Once bracelet mode has been reached has anyone tried putting 12 monks into the alliance have all of them hundred fist using penance and formless strikes to see how low you can take him with non-elemental damage?

No because 1. that's a dumb idea and 2. most shells won't have 12 MNKs available in addition to the manpower required to take it to bracelets in the first place, let alone ones with FS merited.

2. Has anyone got the evoliths to make a decent Vs Lumionion set? I think they specifically added these evoliths to make AV easier for us noobs..

The only way they're going to make AV easier is if they have an additional effect of "disables the use of Meteor".

[Titanss]

YOU EAT WHEN WE SAY YOU EAT! YOU
PISS WHEN WE SAY YOU PISS! YOU SHIT
WHEN WE SAY YOU SHIT! YOU SLEEP
WHEN WE SAY YOU SLEEP! YOU MAGGOT-
DICK MOTHERFUCKER!

(edit: was this line even in the book? i forget...)

dunno it was in the movie tho so good enough for me .. why isn't Gtype banned yet?

[Eriaxa]

Whats so stupid about trying something that no one has tried yet and frankly it's alot harder to put together 12 KC DRK's then 12 MNK with formless strikes and that was done a numerous amount of times by several LS on many different servers before it was "FIXED". Yes, of course you need some pro players with vast experience with AV to get him to bracelet mode. But once there all I see time and time again on this form is MAKE Metor STOP! Ok, make a synergy/Evolith set with VS Liminion : DEF +20 stacked 3x on a body piece or VS Liminion : Magic Def Bonus +20 stacked 3x. Do these evolith go beyond the known caps on MDB. My guess is yes but that will require testing. Just trying to throw some new idea's out there because this tread has looked pretty dead for the last couple weeks.

[drwaffles]

Whats so stupid about trying something that no one has tried yet and frankly it's alot harder to put together 12 KC DRK's then 12 MNK with formless strikes and that was done a numerous amount of times by several LS on many different servers before it was "FIXED". Yes, of course you need some pro players with vast experience with AV to get him to bracelet mode. But once there all I see time and time again on this form is MAKE Metor STOP! Ok, make a synergy/Evolith set with VS Liminion : DEF +20 stacked 3x on a body piece or VS Liminion : Magic Def Bonus +20 stacked 3x. Do these evolith go beyond the known caps on MDB. My guess is yes but that will require testing. Just trying to throw some new idea's out there because this tread has looked pretty dead for the last couple weeks.

You're an idiot.

[Callisto]

MDB doesn't have a cap, and wtf is 60 DEF going to do vs. AV, lol? I'm not disagreeing with the part about the MNKs though, in a LS large enough to even be thinking of making serious AV attempts it shouldn't be that hard since there's a fair amount of people who will have it leveled just for Salvage and whatnot.

[Titanss]

You're an idiot.

listen to this man

[McGoonagle]

I have 2 Questions I would like answered before me and my LS gives this an attempt in 2 weeks.

1. Once bracelet mode has been reached has anyone tried putting 12 monks into the alliance have all of them hundred fist using penance and formless strikes to see how low you can take him with non-elemental damage?

2. Has anyone got the evoliths to make a decent Vs Lumionion set? I think they specifically added these evoliths to make AV easier for us noobs..


Any feedback would be Great thanks

One thing to look at is the dev fight against AV. The alliance they used is very heavy on mages and seems to be surprisingly light on DDs. The DRK KC zerg was not the way you were intended to beat him (and they fixed that.)

Nobody should stop you trying, because you can't lose any worse than most other efforts.

[Konda]

Most monks have 1 formless strikes merits tops.
Are you going to get them to go 5/5 for this? what's more, you also need to consider acc/atk, 100 misses/3dmg isnt going to do much.

12 well equipped/merited mnks should definatly be more easy to find than 12 Kclub DRKs though. And only 1 of the needs penance.

[Hapernack]

But once there all I see time and time again on this form is MAKE Metor STOP! Ok, make a synergy/Evolith set with VS Liminion : DEF +20 stacked 3x on a body piece or VS Liminion : Magic Def Bonus +20 stacked 3x. Do these evolith go beyond the known caps on MDB. My guess is yes but that will require testing.

There's a reason you keep seeing the "MAKING METEOR STOP IS KEY" phrase on here. Its because its the only reason AV isn't beatable to present date. If you can't use common sense, AV is not for you.

[Titanss]

Do you even got 12 mnks? if not please don't waste anyone's time sir and gtfo

[pchan]

I fail to see how formless strikes will help you. If the mob doesn't take extra damage from magic, you will do the same damage as without formless strike.

[Mateuns7]

Less, even with full merits (I think). 5/5 formless strikes is I believe a 5% damage penalty.

[Shiah]

I wanted to shed some light on the last 2hr used on the SE video by AV. Really this info seems mildly useless but maybe someone will have some thoughts. BTW this is my first post so I feel obligated to say, I didn't read any of the thread, including the OP, has anyone tried to absorb meteor in bracelets mode with 10 people including 6 rdm tanks, don't use any JAs, and you have to tank AV backwards in the Alcove while doing emotes!
Actually, I thought that emote thing was pretty smart thinking Bartlett. Good job on not only recognizing something but testing your theory and posting results even though it failed. I hope you are still battling AV. ^^
Ok so on to what someone in my LS deduced. At the end of the SE videos (all versions) AV uses a yellow colored dust cloud 2hr. According to Bartlett's site: Yellow = Benediction, Invincible, Soul Voice, Meikyo Shisui, Call Wyvern, Astral Flow. Sorry I need 10 posts to post a website, but you can find the link throughout the thread.
The english version of the video shows the team locking Soul Voice, Chainspell, Call Wyvern. SV, Astral Flow, Meikyo Shisui on the JP video. The french version shows Astral Flow being locked, 100 fist (interestingly enough they do not showing it being locked, and furthermore at the end I do not see a mnk there), and Chainspell being locked. Finally the german version shows Astral Flow, Soul Voice and Meikyo Shisui all being locked. You can find these videos on Wiki's AV post. Ok, here is when it gets really weird. Assuming it is all the same fight on each version (because it looks like the same version with different cameramen and slightly different footage at times) then we can eliminate Soul Voice, Meikyo Shisui, Call Wyvern, and Astral Flow because they have all been locked on the video. AV, at the end of the video, has bracelets on and according to the OP AV will use his 2hrs in combinations of 3. The cloud was yellow at the end therefore it had to be one that isn't locked, and all that is left are 2 of them. Invincible starts the combination... someone posted that Invincible was locked on the video, but I have not found Invincible being done by AV let alone locked so I would challenge someone to tell me the time AV uses and has Invincible locked. It is entirely possible my LS somehow missed it. Some other things to note are the sam does do a WS at the end after being stunned and I guess it is possible that the sam did a SC but switched gear therefore not creating an animation... only I can't see the sam blink. There is a cloud animation in the way so it is possible I just can't see the sam blinking. Anyway, if you look at when AV dies (especially at a different angle then the NA version) there seems to be a lightning to the face which could have killed AV.
Wall of text tl;dr Invincible seems to be used as the final 2hr before AV dies