Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Demosthenes11]

I'm convinced you can't lock meteor tbh lol

[Fridell]

Yeah
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stupid n.sash...being all shitty and shit
Also fuck challenges.
Wait.



What?

If you want one win one from the Bonanza, you'll have a better chance then

[Celebrindor]

People still cares about AV? The drops are too shitty in comparison to what exists today to even bother trying with this. Challenge or not people who still tries to solve this should be locked in somewhere. Except Virtuous saint, really stable guy in my opinion.

n.sash
mars ring
aereole

tell me again what in the respective slots is better that makes them shitty.

[thetruepandagod]

throw more blms to MB off sams, that kills everything!

Worked well enough to get it to 37%

I've often thought if there was something positional related to AV's AI. Such that the severity of its murderous rampage would be lessed if it remained close to its spawn point AND JoL's spawn point. Such as, before killing JoL drag it back to nearly the spot that it spawned from; though will have to deal with the local aerns.

Fought both JoL/AV where the ??? to pop it is, no changes outside of the fact that aerns are annoying as fuck.

[Meat]

n.sash
mars ring
aereole

tell me again what in the respective slots is better that makes them shitty.

that 6 str ring would be comparable to a mars, who's not capped acc these days with pizza

[Celebrindor]

touche on the ring ^^

[Titanss]

what ring is it? I haven't played in awhile

[Celebrindor]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=11628

Strigoi Ring, drops of T3 VNM Vampyr.

[Taint]

that 6 str ring would be comparable to a mars, who's not capped acc these days with pizza

People that don't use Pizza

[Khelek]

with apoca you just blitz ring and eat rabbit pie imo. cause fuck yeah

[Meat]

People that don't use Pizza

Prolly wont benefit much from the attack on the mars ring and may be better off using the 6 dex ring? What's your attack at with red curry and chaos roll?

[Therin]

Residue has a point.

Mars's Ring is great for most regular DDs but for a fully pimped out relic DD it doesn't offer much more than Zilant and Strigoi. If you're using Pizza with a relic you'll get more "damage" from Strigoi and if you're using a strong attack food like Red Curry you're probably not gaining anything at all from the attack so you'd get more benefits from Blitz Ring, or Zilant if you're an Apoc DRK.

That being said, Sash is still the winner, as well as Aureole. Bellona's and Minerva's are also fantastic, so the only one that you could really say is "outdated" is possibly the Futsuno Mitama but I'm not sure if that's the case. . (84 DMG STP+8 DEX+8 vs. 89 DMG?).

[FailureMidgard]

Residue has a point.

Mars's Ring is great for most regular DDs but for a fully pimped out relic DD it doesn't offer much more than Zilant and Strigoi. If you're using Pizza with a relic you'll get more "damage" from Strigoi and if you're using a strong attack food like Red Curry you're probably not gaining anything at all from the attack so you'd get more benefits from Blitz Ring, or Zilant if you're an Apoc DRK.

That being said, Sash is still the winner, as well as Aureole. Bellona's and Minerva's are also fantastic, so the only one that you could really say is "outdated" is possibly the Futsuno Mitama but I'm not sure if that's the case. . (84 DMG STP+8 DEX+8 vs. 89 DMG?).

Are you gearing for Subtle Blow or Spell Interruption now? Because if you gain nothing from attack on ring, you gain nothing from attack on belt. Relic doesn't really mean much as to the usefulness of Mars's Ring. If your job is on Blitz, you probably are losing damage by using a Mars's Ring (relic or not). If your job isn't on Blitz, Mars is a better upgrade than Ninurta's. This is how it's always been, and Zilant/Strigoi don't change this at all. Zilant is hardly worth comparing to Mars - it's only better if you are attack capped AND actually gain some significant crit from the dex. Strigoi I guess is slightly more damage if you're sure you're accuracy capped, but I think a lot of relic DDs using meat are riding the line between accuracy capped and not closer than you're giving credit. Haste is an amazing upgrade, so it's worth switching to Blitz. 1-2 base damage on your swings isn't even in the same league. Different mobs have different accuracy target values/etc.

[Titanss]

That ring is sick

[Yugl]

And I'm sure 5yrs from now when FFXIV servers are closing and FFXVII is coming out...

AV>> Who dare fuck me now
BG>> You know, your kills would be more efficient if you spammed meteor instead of casting lolAerogaIII
AV>> Wtf?
BG>> Your gear is shit too; lolSarissa? Get a Bradamante you gimp.
AV>> Oh ya, well you try finding 400 lizards that give XP at my level
BG>> umad? Use the randomest question thread you dumbfuck
AV>> I bet you do nothing but play FFXI trying to beat me; you is a little bitch
BG>> lolRLcard? Let me guess, bitches n' clubs?
AV>> ...no I wasn't gonna say that
BG>> Ya ok bro
*BG defeats AV*
*BG receives items outdated 2yrs ago*

I called it first.

[shepardG]

The answer lies in the virtue stonessss.

Virtue stones lower Av's meteor dmg.

1. Regen got figured out.
2. 2-hour got figured out.
3. Re-apply old techniques that didn't work for previous problems to this current problem ( that being bracelet meteor )

[Therin]

Are you gearing for Subtle Blow or Spell Interruption now? Because if you gain nothing from attack on ring, you gain nothing from attack on belt.

Just because it's a minor upgrade over a V.Belt doesn't mean it's not the best TP belt in the game for all DD jobs.

And how is anything else you just posted any different at all from what I said?

If you're a relic and NOT capped on accuracy without a ring, Zilant is better than Mars's (6 DEX > 8 Attack).

If you're a relic and ARE capped on accuracy without a ring, Blitz is better than Mars's.

If you're a relic and ARE capped on Haste (Apoc DRK) without a ring, anything (in this case Strigoi if accuracy is capped and Strigoi if it isn't) is better than Blitz.

[FailureMidgard]

Just because it's a minor upgrade over a V.Belt doesn't mean it's not the best TP belt in the game for all DD jobs.

And how is anything else you just posted any different at all from what I said?

The point is you use attack cap to try to discredit Mars, but that's the only real benefit that Ninurtas has over Vbelt...

If you're a relic and NOT capped on accuracy without a ring, Zilant is better than Mars's (6 DEX > 8 Attack).

Do you have any math to back this up, or just spewing bullshit? First off, half the time Mars is 1 more accuracy than zilat. That's .5/94.5=.53% increase to all damage.
I'm currently at 97dex in my TP set. I'm sure you're significantly lower than that even. Maybe a warrior specifically gearing for dex can get above that, but do people even do that anymore? 10body/5ring/15leg/maybe4back is the extent of what most get? 97dex is ~30 ddex. That means Zilant ring is adding .6% crit.
.6% crit @ 1.5 pdif is .006*2.5/1.5=1% increase to TP damage only, or roughly .5% increase to all damage. This means without even factoring in the attack, if your dex is at a point when Zilant is only 7 accuracy and not 8 (50% of the time), Mars is already better. 8 attack beats this also, if not attack capped, though that's obviously hit or miss. In any case, your statement here is wrong.

If you're a relic and ARE capped on accuracy without a ring, Blitz is better than Mars's.

Except there's jobs that can't use Blitz, which you seem to have missed.

If you're a relic and ARE capped on Haste (Apoc DRK) without a ring, anything (in this case Strigoi if accuracy is capped and Strigoi if it isn't) is better than Blitz.

Was this a typo? This is a complete over-simplification. If not acc capped, use Mars. If acc capped while using bomb core/cerb+1/etc already, then you have an argument for strigoi. Otherwise, you really need to reconsider and see if you are in fact attack capped also.

[Titanss]

So you are saying people have killed it since they fixed the zerg? I call major fucking bullshit.

[thetruepandagod]

OH HOW I WISH TO BELIEVE.

No not really.