Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

**BerenTebogo** · 2009-09-07 18:19

Obviously not all rolls will be lucky or 11 but - 2 (Lucky) +20 +28 - how much more damage are the tanks taking over their total HP?

I haven't fought it 30+ times but I've fought it enough to know that support can be recovered, the tank swapping is really when the fight starts to go downhill and every time you have to swap out a tank is another step closer to securing a wipe.

Only needs to have a COR in the party for less than 20 seconds every 5 minutes. I guess I just don't see the harm in trying it, especially if they have heavy Snakeeye merits. Can attempt to reset Fealty / Sent as well as Kaeko has mentioned earlier.

**Chun Liroy** · 2009-09-07 18:24

As denoted by the other thread on BG, what are your thoughts in practical application of defensive Obi's+Sch for AV? Useless to idle in full time or could be useful post 59%?

**nsx** · 2009-09-07 18:33

Hey there.

I wasn't trying to stir anything, just was trying to make it known that these guys have been locking for a while here on midgard and there had been rumors about re: the jps beating it.

One of my ls members saw 3 of them w/ the Virtuous Saint title about 6 weeks ago. Around the same time an N.Sash showed up for sale on midgard. We knew that some ls had figured the way to lock 2hrs somewhat as this was a few weeks after Apathy had posted SS of the 39% one. So it had seemed like maybe they had figured it out. People in my ls had asked the NA friendly guy about how they locked 2hrs at this point and he said to talk to their leader, Miyuu. Miyuu was asked and was apparently not pleased he was sharing info/talking to NAs about their AV attempts.

I talked to the NA friendly guy myself last night and he has changed his story to, we have only locked 11 of 15 2hrs, not done any damage.

So chalk it all up to rumor, I'll post a mule up in sea to try and watch them if we can. From my dealings with them over the past 5 years, I wouldn't be shocked if they won't pop it if they see our mules up there ready to watch.

Anyways, sorry for the diatribe on all this, the 3 guys seen in Tav w/ the titles and the N.Sash for sale right at the same time had us all thinking they had done it.

One last bit regarding Magus Roll. I remember it knocking close to 200 damage off Citadel Buster when doing Ultima long ago.

**Ermac** · 2009-09-07 19:32

Can sombody Utube the video please?

**Maimed** · 2009-09-07 20:05

I wonder if Blue Mages, Puppetmasters, and Scholars would need to use their 2hrs against AV.

**Suiram** · 2009-09-07 20:13

Regarding "readies Lateral Slash," wouldn't you agree, though (@VS mostly), that even that situation isn't any different, it's just glitched in its implementation.

As far as being able to determine which 2H to counter with, a NIN could watch for "The Aern's Wynav readies Mijin Gakure" instead of AV. A MNK could wait until the wynavs are dead and know that Lateral Slash readied with no wynavs alive indicates HF.

Assuming there is a trigger for this behavior (that is, that it's not completely random--and I personally believe in such a trigger), I think the most likely candidate would be some sort of correspondence to the elemental alignment of the 2H (as reflected in the color of the dust cloud). Even if it is, where to go from there would be anyone's guess, but both of those behaviors (separate dust clouds and "readying") are unique and would make no sense to be there at all unless they indicated or were useful in some aspect or another of the fight.

**urat** · 2009-09-07 20:14

Originally Posted by Maimed

I wonder if Blue Mages, Puppetmasters, and Scholars would need to use their 2hrs against AV.

No love for corsairs and dancers? D:

**thetruepandagod** · 2009-09-07 20:32

this isn't very useful at all probably but this is how my linkshell found out about the lock around 5-7months ago. Dont remember the original link but this is what was posted.

Spoiler: show

**Ramses** · 2009-09-07 20:44

I started a thread about this awhile ago and never really got a clear answer. I won't claim I'm 100% sure it wasn't terrain difference or something like that, but it sure didn't look like it to me. If by some amazing chance there is a dead zone where meteor doesn't hit, healers could stand there while tanks and absorbers take the hit. Anybody have a definitive reason for this?:

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/66758...weirdness.html

A few other people say they had it happen before so it's not just me.

**Virtuous Saint** · 2009-09-08 01:29

Originally Posted by Suiram

Regarding "readies Lateral Slash," wouldn't you agree, though (@VS mostly), that even that situation isn't any different, it's just glitched in its implementation.

As far as being able to determine which 2H to counter with, a NIN could watch for "The Aern's Wynav readies Mijin Gakure" instead of AV. A MNK could wait until the wynavs are dead and know that Lateral Slash readied with no wynavs alive indicates HF.

Assuming there is a trigger for this behavior (that is, that it's not completely random--and I personally believe in such a trigger), I think the most likely candidate would be some sort of correspondence to the elemental alignment of the 2H (as reflected in the color of the dust cloud). Even if it is, where to go from there would be anyone's guess, but both of those behaviors (separate dust clouds and "readying") are unique and would make no sense to be there at all unless they indicated or were useful in some aspect or another of the fight.

Ya I used to believe 'Absolute Virtue readies 2hr'>>'PC uses 2hr' was the way to lock 2hrs because of how much everything else had been tried, and failed. Obviously the reality is you don't need readies to lock the 2hrs, and obviously if it was reading it would make it much easier to lock due to the instant knowledge of what the 2hr is.

In the NA SE dev video there is one 'Absolute Virtue readies Chainspell', you'd think if it was a glitch they would have seen it and fixed it right then, so either it isn't a glitch or they are too god damn lazy to do anything. The question of how to get it to readies tho... I have absolutely no idea, it seems completely and utterly random, but it doesn't just happen when someone is sacking it like someone suggested.

In one of the demoLS videos.. I think #5 they claim AV and the first 2hr it does is readies Perfect Dodge, afterward they are all uses. Trust me tho, if you are looking at how to get it to readies you are wasting your time because we have fought for so many hours, having done so many different things and we have seen like 3 instances of this.

**Seraphus** · 2009-09-08 01:38

Originally Posted by Virtuous Saint

In the NA SE dev video there is one 'Absolute Virtue readies Chainspell', you'd think if it was a glitch they would have seen it and fixed it right then, so either it isn't a glitch or they are too god damn lazy to do anything. The question of how to get it to readies tho... I have absolutely no idea, it seems completely and utterly random, but it doesn't just happen when someone is sacking it like someone suggested.

Originally Posted by Terraflarex

I believe I then was killed by the following: Meikyo > EES (Blinked) > EES > EES (May have died in another way, did a lot of AVs recently, and I may have confused them due to the concussion AV gave me by 3 Eagle eye shots back to back to back and general all around rape)

The phrase "readies" is usually strictly related to TP moves instead of 2hr abilities, I also read what Terraflarex said above and thought it weird that Absolute Virtue would follow with 3 straight Eagle Eye Shots in a row (being job abilities), right after using Meikyo Shisui.

So... is it at all possible that some 2hrs are TP-triggered and some aren't?

**Virtuous Saint** · 2009-09-08 01:41

Originally Posted by Silentleroy

As denoted by the other thread on BG, what are your thoughts in practical application of defensive Obi's+Sch for AV? Useless to idle in full time or could be useful post 59%?

I think it is a pretty good idea if it stacks with -50% MDT obviously. If you popped it at like 6ish on lightnings day you could take it to the ramp and lock the 2hrs you intend to lock then it would be about lightsday when you got it below 79%, but more importantly when you got it below 59%. If they had korin obi on full time and a SCH kept aururastorm on them they should take 20% less damage so say 1300x.2=-260ish damage from each cast. You could also have a COR giving them Magus's obviously which would help even more, maybe be able to take bracelets Meteor down to roughly 800-900ish for tanks (this is of course if you have an absorb pt so 10 targets are being hit at all times, absolutely essential).

If this worked you obviously want lightsday to start as close to when you get it to 59% as possible so it doesn't have a chance of getting to darksday and dealing more damage to you instead. Also another up side to this is the fact that it is so incredibly easy to lock regen during lightsday, and tanks will heal for more.

**Virtuous Saint** · 2009-09-08 01:46

Originally Posted by Seraphus

The phrase "readies" is usually strictly related to TP moves instead of 2hr abilities, I also read what Terraflarex said above and thought it weird that Absolute Virtue would follow with 3 straight Eagle Eye Shots in a row (being job abilities), right after using Meikyo Shisui.

So... is it at all possible that some 2hrs are TP-triggered and some aren't?

I don't think so, it uses a 2hr based on a timer only. The only reason it does Meikoyo to 3 EESs is because SE thought it would be cool to make it appear like EES was a WS in this situation I believe because after the 3 EES go off it doesn't follow with multiple actual WSs like it would do if it wasn't in bracelets mode. So essentially Meikyo does nothing in this situation, the only thing that does something to you are the 3EES in a row, but I have no idea what they were truly thinking with this obviously.

**Massimo** · 2009-09-08 02:00

Originally Posted by Virtuous Saint

I think it is a pretty good idea if it stacks with -50% MDT obviously. If you popped it at like 6ish on lightnings day you could take it to the ramp and lock the 2hrs you intend to lock then it would be about lightsday when you got it below 79%, but more importantly when you got it below 59%. If they had korin obi on full time and a SCH kept aururastorm on them they should take 20% less damage so say 1300x.2=-260ish damage from each cast. You could also have a COR giving them Magus's obviously which would help even more, maybe be able to take bracelets Meteor down to roughly 800-900ish for tanks (this is of course if you have an absorb pt so 10 targets are being hit at all times, absolutely essential).

If this worked you obviously want lightsday to start as close to when you get it to 59% as possible so it doesn't have a chance of getting to darksday and dealing more damage to you instead. Also another up side to this is the fact that it is so incredibly easy to lock regen during lightsday, and tanks will heal for more.

Sadly, it doesn't work this way. Weather & day bonus/penalty isn't checked on the target, it's checked on the caster. If Meteor really is dark based, then there would be a chance for AV to do 10% less damage on Lightsday, not for you to take 10% less.

**Thorny** · 2009-09-08 02:01

Originally Posted by Massimo

Sadly, it doesn't work this way. Weather & day bonus/penalty isn't checked on the target, it's checked on the caster. If Meteor really is dark based, then there would be a chance for AV to do 10% less damage on Lightsday, not for you to take 10% less.

Wrong.

**Massimo** · 2009-09-08 02:03

Originally Posted by Thorny

Wrong.

Are you sure? I remember people testing it in a thread about Ultima, where having weather bonus on the target didn't affect a thing.

If you're saying it's wrong that AV can do 10% less on Lightsday, then yeah, that was actually guessing.

**Thorny** · 2009-09-08 02:05

I'm saying that an obi that matches the day/weather will force the 10% penalty on magic damage weak to the day/weather's element cast on the wearer. It will also force the 10% bonus on magic damage matching the element cast on you and the 10% penalty on magic damage weak to the day/weather's element cast by you. I have no idea if meteor is really dark based though :S

**Virtuous Saint** · 2009-09-08 02:09

Meteor is dark based or my +200dark elemental resist would not have netted me resists, but it did on both KB and AV.

**Seraphus** · 2009-09-08 02:13

Originally Posted by Virtuous Saint

Meteor is dark based or my +200dark elemental resist would not have netted me resists, but it did on both KB and AV.

Stop being gimp and do the Pchan, INT all the way bruh

**Massimo** · 2009-09-08 02:26

Originally Posted by Thorny

I'm saying that an obi that matches the day/weather will force the 10% penalty on magic damage weak to the day/weather's element cast on the wearer. It will also force the 10% bonus on magic damage matching the element cast on you and the 10% penalty on magic damage weak to the day/weather's element cast by you. I have no idea if meteor is really dark based though :S

I was referring to this thread, where when I look back, I suppose it's just one claim that I took for granted.

However, let's try this scenario; a person with dark weather casted on him (wearing dark obi) gets charmed, and is then nuked with Holy by a WHM with light weather (wearing light obi), would he take both -10% and +10% damage?
It doesn't make much sense to check it on both the caster and the target, but you seem to know your game, so I assume you've tested this.

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