Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Asmoranomar]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showp...&postcount=867

Try rolling back to about post 850 in this thread to see the start of the discussion. It's not quite what I remember it as, but at least its a starting point.

I also recall some discussion as to which avatars resist meteor right? It's buried somewhere deep in this thread but I think Diabolos and Fenrir were both checked - I just can't remember the results =/

I don't recall this though.

Edit: oops wrong link, fixed now

[Kaeko]

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z...F/img_0243.png

You don't know shit, stop posting. And yes there is some terrible spelling in LS chat lol, this is from a long time ago.

Just bumping this pic. I'm pretty sure he was non-shelled in this since they were just sacing. Should be Manafont Meteor pre-80% based on Meteor frequency.

Also, Meteor as a spell in general (not necessarily specific to just AV) should have it's own base damage that does not change mob to mob. The only thing that influences damage between mobs using it are the modifiers like MAB. So really you could back-calculate on any mob that uses meteor? (Kaiser Behemoth, King Behemoth, Shantotto, Promethia, etc.)

[Kaeko]

This is a little off topic from Meteor discussion, but I had a really crazy idea involving "Absorbing Shield" (the thing you get from Moa Constrictors KS30). I've been trying to find one but haven't in last 2 weeks to test it out.

If it doesn't just transfer the mob's status to you, but also transfers your positives to it, you could theoretically transfer Souleater to AV, then Invincible and have it kill itself. I know there have been cases of the Einherjar T1 Morbol boss stealing SE with Vampiric Root and then killing itself since SE takes off 10% of remaining HP.

[Asmoranomar]

That might actually be the pic VS was refering to in my link lol.

The only thing is (as you stated earlier) this was under Manafont. Would still like to know if there's any difference between Manafont meteor and Bracelet meteor. Shouldn't be, but would suck to find out Bracelets adds additional MAB or %DMG.

[Kaeko]

From what I recall, Non-manafont Meteor pre-bracelets is actually fairly weak. This damage will roughly double upon bracers (it's a good estimation that everything doubles on bracer mode). I also believe Manafont meteor (even pre-bracer) is still stronger than bracer-non-font.

Manafont with no Bracelets > Bracelets > no Bracelets

[Kaeko]

Some old screenshots I was given by Demetrios like a year ago. Demetrios quit awhile ago I think so I doubt he'll mind at this point.

Pre-bracelet, non-manafont Meteor

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/3299/demetrios1.png


Bracelet, non-manafont Meteor

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/418/demetrios2.png

Same fight, one's just a few minutes after. Can get a reasonable estimate of the MAB increase if we just assume that players are wearing the same gear both times (and things like Rampart aren't on).

[Renzokuken]

This is a little off topic from Meteor discussion, but I had a really crazy idea involving "Absorbing Shield"

I happened to find one of these on the AH today on Valefor. Possibly will be doing JoL on FRI and give this a try.

Edit: According to Wiki it only transfers negative status effects: "An attack or ability that removes negative status effects and transfers them to the target(s)." I'll test if it even works with souleater after I'm out of this BCNM

[Renzokuken]

Sad to say Absorbing Shield can not transfer souleater. As a side note, I casted blind and silence on the test mob before using the shield, and it only transferred blind back onto me. It should work with multiple negative effects, so I have no idea why silence didn't get transferred back to me.

[Kaeko]

Sad to say Absorbing Shield can not transfer souleater. As a side note, I casted blind and silence on the test mob before using the shield, and it only transferred blind back onto me. It should work with multiple negative effects, so I have no idea why silence didn't get transferred back to me.

thanks for testing this. Was a shot in the dark at best lol

[Stromgarde]

Not suggesting this will go anywhere, but have you tried transferring something like Bane or Mute to a mob?

[Kaeko]

Actually, couple questions about this now

So the shield cannot give the mob anything period (only take it away and give to you), and it can either only take 1 status at at a time or is limited to certain statuses?

[Pirian]

Some old screenshots I was given by Demetrios like a year ago. Demetrios quit awhile ago I think so I doubt he'll mind at this point.

Pre-bracelet, non-manafont Meteor

[IMG]http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/3299/demetrios1.png[/IMG


Bracelet, non-manafont Meteor

[IMG]http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/418/demetrios2.png[/IMG

Same fight, one's just a few minutes after. Can get a reasonable estimate of the MAB increase if we just assume that players are wearing the same gear both times (and things like Rampart aren't on).

Been a while since I've played, but those tanks have aegis+shellv and no MDB gear that I'm aware of, the tanks being bei wylfred and dico. The rest of the spots normally for mdb (maybe lamia kaman, but think that spot was even taken by egg or rosenbogen) went to HP gear In order to hopefully survive a crit hit after meteor went off. That should make it kind of easier to calculate out

[Renzokuken]

Actually, couple questions about this now

So the shield cannot give the mob anything period (only take it away and give to you), and it can either only take 1 status at at a time or is limited to certain statuses?

From what I understand it's supposed to be a complete swap from monster >>> player and player >>>> monster of NEGATIVE status effects only. I haven't NPC'd the shield yet if there are any tests you'd like me to run. The only buffs I had up on my first test were protect and souleater, neither transferred.

I tried to think of a situation where this might be useful and couldn't really think of anything.

[Kaeko]

From what I understand it's supposed to be a complete swap from monster >>> player and player >>>> monster of NEGATIVE status effects only. I haven't NPC'd the shield yet if there are any tests you'd like me to run. The only buffs I had up on my first test were protect and souleater, neither transferred.

I tried to think of a situation where this might be useful and couldn't really think of anything.

Can you test if you can transfer negative status you have to the mob? Protect and SE are positive status.

Can try to like eat a poison pot then use shield on some lowbie mob?

There may be some useful situations for this. At first I thought of paralyze potion since it's 100% proc rate, but then I forgot if you did this, you'd get paralyzed trying to transfer this lol

[mackerel]

I'm sure it won't transfer them, but Weakness and Level Restriction are negative status effects. If we could get AV into Salvage, sync to level 71 (minimum for the shield), and have only weapon/shield unlocked, it might even be possible to win!

In all seriousness, testing on a low level malboro after Bad Breath (but paralyna yourself) seems like a good way to see if negative status can transfer to the mob.

[Renzokuken]

Ok, ran another quick test. Casted slow, para, and silence on the mob, poped a poison potion and blinding potion. Silence was the last thing I casted (I did this after I poped the potions). Poped the shield, only transfer I saw was the mobs silence came back onto me. The mob didn't take my poison as its HP stayed @ 100%. I'm fairly certain it didn't take my blindness as I still had the icon.

Gotta wait another hour before I can test again, will try with only using a poison potion on me and not casting on the mob.

[Renzokuken]

Used the shield with no effects on the mob, only poison on me. Resulted in "no effect." Looks like it's pretty safe to say this does not transfer from player to mob. Can I NPC this thing now? lol

[Darkmagi]

The hell is the point of that shield then? lol. Only thing i can think of is... removing DOTs to sleep something @_@

[Kaeko]

Thanks for testing lol. Severely disappointing

[Kaeko]

Been a while since I've played, but those tanks have aegis+shellv and no MDB gear that I'm aware of, the tanks being bei wylfred and dico. The rest of the spots normally for mdb (maybe lamia kaman, but think that spot was even taken by egg or rosenbogen) went to HP gear In order to hopefully survive a crit hit after meteor went off. That should make it kind of easier to calculate out

They must have some type of damage reduction like stoneskin or rampart then right? Because if they were all capped on MDT and had no MDB, then the meteor damage should be the same?

EDIT:
INT difference duh
what races are they? We know AV's INT at least pre-bracer