Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Mojo]

You're argument is creating unrealistic situations and then calling everyone else idiots for not agreeing with you when they point out how unrealistic they actually are. It's not a very convincing one. Samurai's Roll may be good, but Fighter's Roll is better. Retreating from the thread isn't going to make you any less wrong, but I'm sure that nobody would mind anyways.

[FailureMidgard]

Chaos Roll + Corsair's Roll is ideal, but Corsair's Roll is quickly going to become antiquated because of Abyssea, so it's probably not worth mentioning. Either way, there's also Fighter's Roll.

Forgot about exp camps, haha. I was more referring to Ein/Dyna/Abyssea/etc. Cor roll is of course amazing if your goal is exp that is modified by it.

Again, I did a true. Add a 2nd hit for guillo and you need 0 stp on at least 4 rolls, I don't even want to bother with 3/4/5 atm.

8 is 30 stp.
14.4*1.3=18.7/hit. 18.7*5=93.5. 93.5+1.3+1.3+1.3=97.4.
Or are we throwing away 4 base damage in addition to the str and dex for our extra couple accuracy? If so..
14.4*1.37=98.5 98.5+1.3=99.8...close enough, but you need to land 3/4 Guillotine, not 2/3.
You're tossing 5str, 5dex, 5 subtle, 4 D (we'll call 4 D 16 str, ok?). So you're tossing 21str, 5dex for 7 accuracy? Are you using meat at least to need that accuracy? You're also probably losing another D from fSTR if you're inside Abyssea (+20-50 stat buff, etc). I'm not gonna go do the math, as I don't even know your gear, but if you use pizza, you probably don't even need the accuracy and are wasting some of it, and even if you aren't, it's gonna be pretty damn close to not worth it. And again, you can only even get this to work with 1 specific weapon THAT HAS 7 STORETP ON IT with one specific subjob and one specific buff. Seriously?

Really, I'm not so ignorant as to saying these situations don't exist, I'm saying they are few and far between, and usually have some other problem with em. Power to you if you watch your rolls and change gear based on an 8 or 10 or whatnot, but I'm skeptical.

I don't have king gear, and I don't have much of anything that's come out in the last 4 years or so that requires more than 6-8 people. I'm a perfectionist in terms of what I can control given those factors.

I'd pretend I know how this is related at all, but I don't have a clue. I don't think I use any gear that requires more than 6-8 people to get either except Amano now...

with no sam, 5 hit:
0 stp needed: 2, 11

6hit:
0 stp needed: 4,5
1 stp needed: 3
3 stp needed: 1

10: 24 storetp.
14.4*1.31=18.8, 18.8*5=94+1.3+1.3+1.3=97.9
and with a Rajas....drumroll pleae...
14.4*1.36=19.5, 19.5*5=97+5+1.3+1.3=100.1
Wow imagine that.

Really, if you don't have a Sam and are getting Sam roll, you should be using a Rose Strap, then using Rajas, allowing you to 5hit on 8, 9, and 10 as well as 2 and 11. But we'll pretend you knew that, ok?

The rest of your driveling nonsense isn't worth quoting or replying to. I have no idea why you'd insult me for pointing out where people could -easily- improve their character. I generally don't even insult people unless they tell me I'm wrong, I just give suggestions on improvements. You however, are your own special case of dumb, and so very wrong while thinking you are correct. But as you said, no real reason to shit up the AV thread. Maybe we can go elsewhere.

In conclusion: Rajas is amazing. There are a very few select scenarios where the storeTP isn't everything, but they are few and far between, and there's usually another problem with your setup if that is the case. Feel free to keep trying, and I'll keep pointing out how wrong you are. Also, for the record, I'm pointing out you're wrong without even seeing the rest of your gear (mainly your accuracy vs whatever target you pick), and really the next best option is going to be a fucking STR or attack ring, NOT accuracy. So why you wouldn't want 5str 5dex and the ability to get your hitbuild more often (we're completely ignoring getting hit right now) is beyond me.

[boo]

The Samurai Roll argument isn't a very good one because, unless you have two corsairs in the same party, there are better rolls to use.

Yes, all we do is meriting/xping. nothing else.

[Mojo]

Yes, all we do is meriting/xping. nothing else.

Again, Fighter's Roll.

[Plow]

8 is 30 stp.
14.4*1.3=18.7/hit. 18.7*5=93.5. 93.5+1.3+1.3+1.3=97.4.
Or are we throwing away 4 base damage in addition to the str and dex for our extra couple accuracy? If so..
14.4*1.37=98.5 98.5+1.3=99.8...close enough, but you need to land 3/4 Guillotine, not 2/3.
You're tossing 5str, 5dex, 5 subtle, 4 D (we'll call 4 D 16 str, ok?). So you're tossing 21str, 5dex for 7 accuracy? Are you using meat at least to need that accuracy? You're also probably losing another D from fSTR if you're inside Abyssea (+20-50 stat buff, etc). I'm not gonna go do the math, as I don't even know your gear, but if you use pizza, you probably don't even need the accuracy and are wasting some of it, and even if you aren't, it's gonna be pretty damn close to not worth it. And again, you can only even get this to work with 1 specific weapon THAT HAS 7 STORETP ON IT with one specific subjob and one specific buff. Seriously?

What the hell 109 dmg scythe are you talking about?

STR or DEX scythe is 513 and same base damage.

Redemption is 502 delay.

If you get penitence right now when it looks very much like redemption will be the "new relic," more power to you, I've got something like 6 active trials atm and at least 5-6 more to start on already, not going to build something requiring extensive camping that's most likely going to be 2nd best (at best) for the entirety of its existence.

Really, I'm not so ignorant as to saying these situations don't exist, I'm saying they are few and far between, and usually have some other problem with em. Power to you if you watch your rolls and change gear based on an 8 or 10 or whatnot, but I'm skeptical.

I'd pretend I know how this is related at all, but I don't have a clue. I don't think I use any gear that requires more than 6-8 people to get either except Amano now...

My point is that yes, I do optimize my x-hit builds. Quite simply, you're fucking retarded if you don't. Especially if you're in a situation where you're never going to have "all the best" and need to get the most out of what you do have.

I seriously can't believe you of all people are sitting around trying to discredit an argument because you're too fucking lazy to make the appropriate macros and watch the bigass numbers that appear above your head once every 5 or 10 minutes.

Wait, you can never, ever, ever admit you're wrong under any circumstance, so I guess it's not surprising that you'll even resort to "zomg that's too hardcore" bullshit.

10: 24 storetp.
14.4*1.31=18.8, 18.8*5=94+1.3+1.3+1.3=97.9
and with a Rajas....drumroll pleae...
14.4*1.36=19.5, 19.5*5=97+5+1.3+1.3=100.1
Wow imagine that.

What's your point? I'm specifically stating that you should adjust to different rolls, how does finding one single roll where rajas helps (but only for a true, which is unnecessary with guillo...) disprove that point?

Really, if you don't have a Sam and are getting Sam roll, you should be using a Rose Strap, then using Rajas, allowing you to 5hit on 8, 9, and 10 as well as 2 and 11. But we'll pretend you knew that, ok?

And really, if you're drk/sam, there is not a single roll with reckoning where you need rajas to break 5 hit.

But we'll pretend you knew that, ok?

There's also only 2 rolls as drk/sam where you need rajas with penitence or whatever.

But we'll pretend you knew that, ok?

The rest of your driveling nonsense isn't worth quoting or replying to. I have no idea why you'd insult me for pointing out where people could -easily- improve their character. I generally don't even insult people unless they tell me I'm wrong, I just give suggestions on improvements. You however, are your own special case of dumb, and so very wrong while thinking you are correct. But as you said, no real reason to shit up the AV thread. Maybe we can go elsewhere.

In conclusion: Rajas is amazing. There are a very few select scenarios where the storeTP isn't everything, but they are few and far between, and there's usually another problem with your setup if that is the case. Feel free to keep trying, and I'll keep pointing out how wrong you are. Also, for the record, I'm pointing out you're wrong without even seeing the rest of your gear (mainly your accuracy vs whatever target you pick), and really the next best option is going to be a fucking STR or attack ring, NOT accuracy. So why you wouldn't want 5str 5dex and the ability to get your hitbuild more often (we're completely ignoring getting hit right now) is beyond me.

There are many situations, you keep trying to make up excuses about how you can't bother to optimize your shit in an argument about what's optimal.

AFK rocking a 100 million gil weapon while not bothering to adjust gear for buffs.


p.s. talking about getting hit is detrimental to your argument when you're talking about scythe, unless you plan to get hit 8+ times per 100 tp, because every single hit you take reduces the need for rajas dramatically up to there

[Ghost_Wheel22]

If its not shitting the thread up with baseless AV weakness speculation its shitting up the thread with offtopic shitgearing.

I lurk this thread for information, not this. Kill yourself Plow.

[Plow]

Well, I tried to bow out but whatever...

If you wanna keep arguing, let's take it to what's better.

[thetruepandagod]

Not really an argument to be had anyway, fighters > sam for majority of things.

[FailureMidgard]

What the hell 109 dmg scythe are you talking about?

STR or DEX scythe is 513 and same base damage.

Redemption is 502 delay.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Trial_1506.png

Try to keep up.

My point is that yes, I do optimize my x-hit builds. Quite simply, you're fucking retarded if you don't. Especially if you're in a situation where you're never going to have "all the best" and need to get the most out of what you do have.

Honestly, I don't believe you. And if you did, you wouldn't be using the examples you have used. As I said, you should be switching to a Rose Strap and all the numbers you spewed were not optimized. So I guess you improperly attempt to do so, and really do quite a shitty job of it...but whatever helps you feel good.

I seriously can't believe you of all people are sitting around trying to discredit an argument because you're too fucking lazy to make the appropriate macros and watch the bigass numbers that appear above your head once every 5 or 10 minutes.

I'd love to see a parse of yours from any event where you got Sam roll. I'd be willing to bet a lot that you gained 0 damage, or in fact lost damage from this amount of micromanaging.

Wait, you can never, ever, ever admit you're wrong under any circumstance, so I guess it's not surprising that you'll even resort to "zomg that's too hardcore" bullshit.

I've admitted I'm wrong several times, including something like 4 days ago in the What's Better thread when I got the wrong delay for Masamune on my math...I'd go dig up the other times, but it's not really worth my time. I guess we'll just agree I've read more of my posts than you have?

What's your point? I'm specifically stating that you should adjust to different rolls, how does finding one single roll where rajas helps (but only for a true, which is unnecessary with guillo...) disprove that point?

How did you get for a True when I used +1.3+1.3+1.3 and shit? Not following the math of what +1.3 means? It also helps for a 2nd roll if you get hit -once-, but I'm sure you never get hit. Prolly at least 30-40%+ of the time.

And really, if you're drk/sam, there is not a single roll with reckoning where you need rajas to break 5 hit.

Again, I didn't make up the +4 D scythe...which will outdmg your setup uhh, always probably?

There are many situations, you keep trying to make up excuses about how you can't bother to optimize your shit in an argument about what's optimal.

You. Aren't. Optimizing. You're choosing 7? accuracy over 5str, 5dex, 5subtleblow and 4 base Dmg (and 1 fSTR). I guarantee you that you can do better than that elsewhere.

AFK rocking a 100 million gil weapon while not bothering to adjust gear for buffs.

There are zero situations where it'd be beneficial for me to drop Rajas. Just like most the times you sit here and argue about the storetp, you completely neglect the rest of the stats on the ring. As I've said multiple times now, you should be accuracy capped anyway, making your other option what exactly?

[Mojo]

If its not shitting the thread up with baseless AV weakness speculation its shitting up the thread with offtopic shitgearing.

I lurk this thread for information, not this. Kill yourself Plow.

This thread became another drops thread after TPG's potential drama fizzled out, so I don't anything of value is being lost by engaging in the current discussion.

[Cream Soda]

Again, Fighter's Roll.

What about the footwork mnk pts!?!?!

[Fiendishone]

What were TDG dorps?

Raph rod, mars & bellona rings. Needs moar TH.

[Mojo]

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̝͇̪̲̟̗̺͑̅̏ͮ̒̆ͥ̽̀A͍̪̥̱̱ͯ̈́͒ ̪̥Nͩͯ̃ͤ͊͞҉̩̖D͈̀ͮ̃ ̃̽͒̎̐̿͑ͪ͏̞̦̗̬Y̰̜̲̯̞̬͍̋̊͜͢ ̱Ô̷̻̳̮̄͟Ų̷̼̹̣̫̪̳̜͎̾͑ͩ̊ ̶̵̗̯͉͎͍ͪ̂ͩA̧̡̮̩̙̯̪̯͐̆͡R̈̾̆ ̤̻̣͎̠͓͒͂̒́͞Eͯ҉̱̮̝̲͚ ̟̥̜͖̟̌͑̌ͤ͗̋͋̔ͅB̸̙͖͌̀̃̂̆̚͘ ̝̲U̬̥̺͙͇̾ͧ́͢͝ͅT̶̛̻ͭ́̾ͧ͘ ̨̩̗̻ͭ̍̀ͩͥ͊͊̄̉̕A̴̢̬̫͒ͤ̂ ͭ̀ͫͤ̎̋ͫ̌͏̞̝̣̤͍̫̯̰̭͘̕T̛ͭ̔̀ ͇̬͙̘͚͚H̵̡͉͇̻̬̼̟̮͗͌͆̐͐̈̈́́O ̺̹̓͊̀U͉̼͑̄͐̾G̶̋̊͑̍̔ͨ͒̔ͤ͢͢ ̞̥̬̞̘̟̟H̸̭̘ͪ̈̐ͪ̑̅͡T̛͕͐̉͋́

Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚ ҉ ҉҉̡̢̡̢̛̛̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟ ̠̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑ ͡҉҉

[Salmijr]

AV hits pretty hard without PD. (getting back on topic)

[Khajit]

Why are you guys even arguing about 5 hit scythe during sam roll when you can get a 4 hit with a stp reckoning(with sam in pt or relic hat)?

[Zag]

Chaos Roll + Corsair's Roll is ideal, but Corsair's Roll is quickly going to become antiquated because of Abyssea, so it's probably not worth mentioning. Either way, there's also Fighter's Roll.

http://i33.tinypic.com/33yno8w.jpg

A.This is our strat to defeating AV......
B.This helped our AV go smoother....
C.Here are some pics of our killed AV...
D.This is the jobs we used to defeat our AV....
E.NIN sucks with Rajas ring.....


See the pattern?

http://i33.tinypic.com/33yno8w.jpg

That guy on your Avatar icon just pisses me off for some reason cause hes so ugly and I hate his smirk. So lets talk AV, nomore gear setups or buff setups unless it pertains to the buffs used to kill AV. TY.

[Yugl]

Don't insult Isa's Facebook picture.

[Juna]

srry for not saying drops

Mars Bellonas and silly rod

im learning so much dd math on this thread :D

[shepardG]

http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/g...ow-picture.jpg
IM MR PLOW THATS MY NAME THAT NAME AGAIN CAN NOT DD!

[Michelob]

srry for not saying drops

Mars Bellonas and silly rod

im learning so much dd math on this thread :D

Fairly certain those are the 100% drops only. Out of 10 kills, every one has yielded at least those and looking back to the KC zergs (last major change to the mob) I can't find a picture of a loot pool that didn't contain those 3 drops.

Obviously, before the update that lowered AV's HP and put the two hour time limit on the fight, there had been loot pools that were much different but yeah, those are kinda out the window since the mob has had major changes to it since those pools.