Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[avelle]

It is! Look the video.
Either its:

lolmode: zerg down with PD

or its: Random mode:

bad luck on perfect defense / whateva 2hr.

So yes its a joke. This is FFXI we want hard and challenging fights, not either easy mode or random luck wipe mode.

Does hardmode = 18 hour PW attempts? That's not exactly good game design either.

[Spik3]

Does hardmode = 18 hour PW attempts? That's not exactly good game design either.

No but killing hardest know monster in FFXI in 3 minutes isnt good game design either.

[Salmijr]

I should post our wipe video.... so people can see how lol AV is even with PD.

"Perfect Dodge, Fuck. 2%! Keep going, PD now. MANAFONT FAAAAAK"

[fredjanx]

No but killing hardest know monster in FFXI in 3 minutes isnt good game design either.

I don't see how can you say that AV is *the* hardest, as afaik PW hasn't been defeated without abusing ZNM mechanics

[Spik3]

I should post our wipe video.... so people can see how lol AV is even with PD.

"Perfect Dodge, Fuck. 2%! Keep going, PD now. MANAFONT FAAAAAK"

Random doesnt mean its hard.
Its a different category. Example: 99% people who play lottery never win jackpot in their live so they are saying: fuck off, lottery is hardmode.

Then the lucky guy comes along ( yes this DID happen ), he plays lottery for the first time and wins jackpot.
Should this guy now say: olol easymode lottery, pwned ya! everyone who never won jackpot is a noob!

??
Neither of them would say/think that, because its not easy or hard > its random.
So for AV this means: its either > easymode because see video, or its random bad luck mode.(which means wipe)

[Salmijr]

When random pickups in whitegate are killing this, I'll concede that it's easy mode. PD or not, this still requires coordination, timing, communication, merits, etc. Like fail mentioned a page or 2 back, the only reason we didnt kill it was it didnt have angon. One little mistake dragged the fight 5 seconds longer than it needed to be, and caused a wipe.

[Pivotal]

When random pickups in whitegate are killing this, I'll concede that it's easy mode. PD or not, this still requires coordination, timing, communication, merits, etc. Like fail mentioned a page or 2 back, the only reason we didnt kill it was it didnt have angon. One little mistake dragged the fight 5 seconds longer than it needed to be, and caused a wipe.

i have to agree.. its not so cut and paste as ppl think to do this set up. presents a large strain to coordinate the people.

i wanted to ask is everyone involved on vent? or just some?

[Salmijr]

For the most part, yes. The party leaders definitely have to be. SMNs should be, in case they miss the macro calling for 2nd PD etc.

[Mrbeansman]

Wouldnt mind if SE fix PD. 90% is just too overpowered.
SE knows how to make stuff from unbeatable to loljoke.

Because unbeatable mobs are really fucking cool right? I seem to recall a topic made when during the KC zergs that resembled this statement.

[Eugene]

The fact that the mob dies in 3 minute doesn't say anything about the difficulty of the process. Keep in mind this is their 15th successful fight, of course it will look easier. But look at others who have tried multiple times and haven't had a successful kill yet.

I've come up with strategy for my linkshell based on combing the 14 pages, asking questions and watching videos, and i'm still not 100% we can pull it off completely right. This by no means is an easy or short fight.

[Churchill]

If it was easymode, then my penchant for watching others overestimate their ability and wipe to AV wouldn't exist.

[Falaras]

Sorry PD doesn't make this lolmode, there's a reason only a handful of LS's (two?) have downed it at this point. I managed to catch a LS try to do this yesterday and between them wiping followed by an instant pickup by another LS, both of them only managed to get it to 33%.

[Darkmagi]

Main reason a lot of LSes have not downed this is that a lot of groups just simply lack the required coordination and are used to the standard hit stuff til it dies zerg. Even throwing in one extra factor like inviting a smn to PD and timing it right will fuck up a lot of groups. Assuming you don't lock there is obviously still the "lolyoulose cards" AV can play as well.

[FailureMidgard]

No but killing hardest know monster in FFXI in 3 minutes isnt good game design either.

That I agree with, but otherwise you're wrong.

I don't see how can you say that AV is *the* hardest, as afaik PW hasn't been defeated without abusing ZNM mechanics

The fact it doesn't aggro? AV hasn't been defeated without abusing AV mechanics, ie, ignore the entire challenge of the fight. For that matter, DL is rarely if ever killed without "abusing" the fight, yada yada. Zergs are a popular way to deal with mobs in this game, but every single one of them completely tosses what SE wanted to happen out the window, and is really abusive in the end. Also BTW, seeing as AV has high regen and sheds all debuffs upon going passive, PW could do the same, if they wanted him to. The fact of the matter is, PW is easier than AV (I say this having done both, and being the main organizer for both....we went 1/1 on PW also).

When random pickups in whitegate are killing this, I'll concede that it's easy mode. PD or not, this still requires coordination, timing, communication, merits, etc. Like fail mentioned a page or 2 back, the only reason we didnt kill it was it didnt have angon. One little mistake dragged the fight 5 seconds longer than it needed to be, and caused a wipe.

Ya, I'm sorry, but just looking at the number of LSes failing to kill this (ones that are trying even), nobody can say it's easy mode, it isn't.

Sorry PD doesn't make this lolmode, there's a reason only a handful of LS's (two?) have downed it at this point. I managed to catch a LS try to do this yesterday and between them wiping followed by an instant pickup by another LS, both of them only managed to get it to 33%.

Nah, it's a lot more than 2, I think it's around ~10ish. But it does take a lot of coordination, and is not some joke of a kill to pull off.

Main reason a lot of LSes have not downed this is that a lot of groups just simply lack the required coordination and are used to the standard hit stuff til it dies zerg. Even throwing in one extra factor like inviting a smn to PD and timing it right will fuck up a lot of groups. Assuming you don't lock there is obviously still the "lolyoulose cards" AV can play as well.

Most of those cards are controllable, which was the point of my debate over adding Odin, it's giving him more access to that card. We have pretty good control over the fight (though we kinda stumbled into that on accident). I don't think we've lost for a reason other than our own fault at all, because as was said, our 3% wipe was my fault for fucking up and forgetting we had no DRG in the ally (I have an excuse as to why it happened, but that's neither here nor there).

[FailureMidgard]

Well, for what it's worth, there's even more 2hr combinations that haven't been reported here before, lol. Saw Manafont>Chainspell today, was pretty awesome watching meteors come down that fast. Failed due to a Invinci>Bene @ 1% (and I still think that only happened 'cause we had a weaker ally DD-wise today, but we decided to try it), then a bit later it did Manafont>Chainspell. So I guess it even has different combinations with the same 2hr (Since PD>Manafont is one as well).

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[Rhealana]

I blame.. um.. idk.

[jmc]

I blame.. um.. idk.

I blame devdas.


He is taru, and no slush machine. Ultimate fail

[darkepyon]

I blame devdas.


He is taru

Nah, if anything, I'd say that's a strength since sacrificial midgets make stuff drop. Of course taru have neither souls nor shins.

[Devdas]

Wtf... I don't even... why me? Blah! FINE I BLAME ME.... assholes...

[isladar]

After cleaning out three pages of bullshit earlier today, I am not in the mood for this thread to be used for useless chatty spam posts. This is your warning.