Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Brutala]

What about Rdm for Dia3, going to swap him out? Or the whms for the other parties to keep your melees alive? Are they swappable?

Yes. As long as there is 1 of each present, WHM and RDM are swappable as the healers. Even with an aeroga going off the moment between 2 PDs I don't think DS, CS and curaga2 spam could let more than 1 DD die to javelin or melee that a WHM could have saved.

DRG THF WAR being a staple goes without saying. On that note, has anyone confirmed Tomahawk does anything yet?

28 bodies of which 17 are specific jobs. I won't repeat my argument for DNC not being a must even for the safest strat because it's not even important thanks to fast and easy leveling. If your entire ls has no lag at all here and everyone is either skilled or botting perfect TP usage, fine, I'll agree it's dumb not to use 3 DNCs.

That's not taking into consideration wyvna pullers or any other aspects.

Any job can be wynav puller. JoL kill is easy with the zerg team adding just 1 tank. Locking regen admittedly needs an extra rdm or two compared to zerg setup. Any outside cors or cor mules aren't needed. The 2h limit is plenty even if you're shouting in WG for resets before zerg. Assuming any ls that can kill JoL already has these jobs, the zerg itself has no job requirements beyond the 17 (or 20 your way) specific ones.

No one is saying the strat is hard or swaps are omgwtfbbq challenging. But trying to say it doesn't take a reasonable amount of resources is silly.

I'm saying the resources required aren't reasonable for the average endgame LS because of the member number needed. The jobs and gear needed are very reasonable for anyone. I don't know how rare good organizers are, but if you're actually keeping a monster LS with 28+ ppl in line, you're a good organizer.

I agree that gimp players have a tendency to also suck at the game, but if an LS wants to do any endgame, not just AV, it is their job to either kick bad players or be patient teaching them the basics.

If it wasn't special, why post that your LS killed it before them?

I didn't say anything was special. I tried to argue that nothing about this whole thing was (aside from the idea to use PD in a zerg and the first win using it). I don't see how you can construe anything I said as bragging considering I'm posting /anon and never mentioned my char's, server's or LS's name. If I were bragging, I'd have posted pics or vids in the proper thread. I just browsed one of the only threads I follow and commented on a post that was both not true and didn't belong in the thread. Calling me silly and obnoxious just shows that you're annoyed with what you assumed was my bragging. I'll admit I'm annoyed with people bragging when there's nothing to brag about. The only reason I'm nitpicking so much here is to show why there is nothing to brag about.

[jenasu]

sorry for a super necro/uncalled for. but, i asked a priest that was versed in this virtue talk and such.
i havnt played 11 in 2+ years just thought i would like to add a possible, if possible.
he said to, for a absolute virtue to be recognized you must first humilate yourself.
possible with the idea of losing your 2hr.
(retain yourself back to nothing, to the point where your same)
but he was constant about humilation throughout the entire talk. so im guessing it a humilation.
of some sort, if its from wasting the 2hr or what is needed.
sorry for the necro i just wanted to add something.
its been 6 years, and i havnt played in 2+.
trying to help.

[chazzyphizzle]

you haven't played in 2+ years, but have you read this thread recently, or anything in the drop thread?

[Aerynlia]

So let me get this straight... if we use our two-hours, we can defeat AV? Holy fuck.

[Arundo]

possible with the idea of losing your 2hr.

It has been done!

[Zirk]

Priests were never useful for anything.

[orson]

This just in consult your local Catholic church for game strategies and free cookies. They need to bring back all the scared off young boys some how.

This man be trolling big time, lol.

[Pandum]

fuck i thought we finally found out how to beat him

[Laraul]

Has anyone ever bothered using CFH when trying to discover how to beat this thing? I'm not saying this is the solution. I'm simply asking if this has been used in helping to determine the "correct" way of killing it? If people are only interested in the claim and reward of "getting a drop" I think the chances of discovering how SE wants this thing to die won't ever be known.

Once the proper way is known... you won't need CFH again.

[Fievel]

Oh my god at this thread

[cdgreg]

This thread did a time warp back to 2008.

[Milkster]

Just look at the amount of posts the people who are bumping this thread have. No one with half a brain cares anymore about AV and its drops...

[Celebrindor]

This just in consult your local Catholic church for game strategies and free cookies. They need to bring back all the scared off young boys some how.

This man be trolling big time, lol.

Holy hell that made my day. You sir, have won the internet for the weekend.

[Day]

sorry for a super necro/uncalled for. but, i asked a priest that was versed in this virtue talk and such.
i havnt played 11 in 2+ years just thought i would like to add a possible, if possible.
he said to, for a absolute virtue to be recognized you must first humilate yourself.
possible with the idea of losing your 2hr.
(retain yourself back to nothing, to the point where your same)
but he was constant about humilation throughout the entire talk. so im guessing it a humilation.
of some sort, if its from wasting the 2hr or what is needed.
sorry for the necro i just wanted to add something.
its been 6 years, and i havnt played in 2+.
trying to help.

lol

[isladar]

Holy fuck. Holy. Yeah wow.

Locking the thread. Because AV doesn't fucking matter, and hasn't mattered, for a very long time.