Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Korremar]

Though relatively minor, it might be worth noting that the couple of debuffs that you can land on AV are removed when it Benedictions.

Or rather, it's a safe bet, anyway, since to the best of my knowledge Benediction's never not removed debuffs. I can't say I've ever fought him myself, to confirm.

[deiopea]

We haven't fought AV in a while so I'm mostly going by memory.

Last AV we fought we attempted to break 40-50% HP by 2relic RNGs skillchaining with MB, but MB only did about 700DMG. Normal nukes were ~500. For some reason, its regen kicked back in again even though we never lost hate nor do I know what triggered it. Was it the addition of the RNGs? Was it that BLMs weren't using the correct spells? I don't know. Someone was adamant about not having to use the designated spells so I really don't know. Towards the end of our attempt, all 3PLDs completely lost hate despite not having died for at least 20mins, turned yellow, and attacked the ally.

[Virtuous Saint]

There is nothing exceptional about AV when it pops, the 45-55 second two hour recast timer simply starts. It won't always use Call Wyvern either (I've seen it start with Manafont and Chainspell.)

Also, to the OP, you're stating that if you match a two hour and then match another two hour, the first two hour is locked?

No, you lock every 2hr by countering the same 2hr right when it uses it. When it only has access to 1 2hr it will only use it once before not 2hring again period because it can't use the same 2hr twice in a row.

[Virtuous Saint]

We haven't fought AV in a while so I'm mostly going by memory.

Last AV we fought we attempted to break 40-50% HP by 2relic RNGs skillchaining with MB, but MB only did about 700DMG. Normal nukes were ~500. For some reason, its regen kicked back in again even though we never lost hate nor do I know what triggered it. Was it the addition of the RNGs? Was it that BLMs weren't using the correct spells? I don't know. Someone was adamant about not having to use the designated spells so I really don't know. Towards the end of our attempt, all 3PLDs completely lost hate despite not having died for at least 20mins, turned yellow, and attacked the ally.

In order to lock regen as I stated you have to kill a lot of jol sets and then proceed to nuke element of the day on AV, and it appears to need a large amount of nukes in order to lock this portion fully. Once it is locked you can nuke any element on AV, deaggro.. anything, it will not unlock the regen.

[Virtuous Saint]

In a best case scenario of locking two hours the first attempt each time, about how long would it take to lock them all? Sounds like yet another design in which having a third party program would be a major safety net, especially on that last two hour...

If you locked every 2hr the first time it used them it really wouldn't take that long.. maybe 20min, but the likelihood of that happening is very low.

[Mojo]

Well, I'm certain that it's not that simple. People tried that directly after the patch and it yielded no results. Also, what you posted before seems to contradict what you just posted now.

In order to lock AV’s 2hrs you must deal at least 0DMG to AV (may just need to be on hate list and in alliance) and counter his 2hr in ~3sec, and then proceed to counter 2hr after 2hr (example: ‘Absolute Virtue uses Manafont’ > ‘Player uses Manafont’).

Either way, I do believe that you have locked them, I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying. Can you give a few more examples on how locking a two hour would work in regards to what AV does and what players have done and exactly when that two hour becomes locked?

[thetruepandagod]

VS we locked all 15 on our 2nd try after we found out the same information as you months ago i assumed you guys had locked all 15 too after my talks with kaeko. I think somewhere something was noticed but we havent had a chance to retry lately because of so busy, i can pm you later if you want but we gonna try again in a week locking all 15 2hr's and something else.

[thetruepandagod]

Also VS you guys locked the 2hr's in conjuction with wynavs also? or just assumed locking wynavs also locks mijin/astral etc? cuz when we did it we specifically set out to lock each one individually. with call wyvern being the 15th we lock

[Eanae]

If you locked every 2hr the first time it used them it really wouldn't take that long.. maybe 20min, but the likelihood of that happening is very low.

Even using a bot designed to copy 2 hours?

[Virtuous Saint]

Even using a bot designed to copy 2 hours?

ya they seem to fail more than you would expect

[thetruepandagod]

Even using a bot designed to copy 2 hours?

You can only pile so many people with bots into the main ally without fucking up ur chances to survive. You aren't able to predict the 2hr's and just hope he uses the ones of the people u have in ally first so u can cycle others in to use theirs as some get locked. took us around 38min to lock all 15 but that was using tav rings and cors 2hr's with people constantly running back and forth between tav to change.

[thetruepandagod]

ya they seem to fail more than you would expect

never had them fail when used with clear pc? and always use a non on event for the EES one

[Eanae]

In order to lock AV’s 2hrs you must deal at least 0DMG to AV (may just need to be on hate list and in alliance) and counter his 2hr in ~3sec, and then proceed to counter 2hr after 2hr (example: ‘Absolute Virtue uses Manafont’ > ‘Player uses Manafont’).

OP didn't say that said person had to be in the ally. Just have hate. Wouldn't be too hard to cycle people through the alliance to allow them to gather some hate. So I assume that means even with hate outside alliance, you are unable to lock the 2 hour?

[Virtuous Saint]

Well, I'm certain that it's not that simple. People tried that directly after the patch and it yielded no results. Also, what you posted before seems to contradict what you just posted now.



Either way, I do believe that you have locked them, I'm just trying to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying. Can you give a few more examples on how locking a two hour would work in regards to what AV does and what players have done and exactly when that two hour becomes locked?

This information is factual, it is exactly what you do to lock the 2hrs and when you counter, if done correctly the 2hr is locked right then, right there, it will not be used again if done correctly. The main reason this wasn't found directly after the video is because
A. You likely need to be not only established on hate list, but also in the alliance.
B. You need to be within what we have found to be 20 distance from AV in order for the 2hr to effectively be locked.
C. It needs to be incredibly quick counter, very little time interval (SE is stupid)
D. People almost certainly locked 2hrs back then, however they did so when they all 2hred simultaneously; it takes several 2hrs locked before you can assume you have locked something obviously.

I forgot some of these details in OP i'll put them in.

[Mojo]

Also, it may be worth mentioning that whoever activates the two hour would probably need to be within 20 yalms of AV when they do it because that is the maximum range that actions will generate hate on a mob.

Edit: Heh, looks like the distance thing is probably why it didn't work for others when they tried initially. I changed mine to 20 to line up with your results.

[thetruepandagod]

OP didn't say that said person had to be in the ally. Just have hate. Wouldn't be too hard to cycle people through the alliance to allow them to gather some hate. So I assume that means even with hate outside alliance, you are unable to lock the 2 hour?

It was probably our fault if VS is saying otherwise then people were probably too far since outside of ally.

VS did you lock astral flow/mijin gakure/familiar by matching the 2hr or just by locking wyanvs?

Also how long did it take you to lock regen? took us normally about 12 min on non dark/light day fights. Never could figure out if its a fixed amount of damage that needed to be done or if you just need to be nuking same element for x amount of time. Want to say the first since lightsday was always bad for us.

[Eanae]

I was just bringing up the fact that it wasn't confirmed if this is the case. If you guys were unable to lock 2 hours that way, I guess it may be safe to say that the person needs to be in the alliance.

[arshesney]

How small the "countering" window is? Something like weaponskill window, or shorter?

[Mojo]

Also, it should be worth noting that it's almost a certainty that there is another way to weaken AV. The SE team obviously did not lock all two hours on their attempt (you can see one firing off at the end right before they kill it,) which means that they were either getting hammered by Meteor (impossible to survive with what they were tanking it with) or found a way to weaken Meteor's effect (or possibly lock it.)

[Eanae]

How small the "countering" window is? Something like weaponskill window, or shorter?

OP states it's about 3 seconds.