Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Mojo]

It's listed as Elemental Magic in the DATs, and Special as its element. I wouldn't say that it's clear as to whether dark resist gear actually affects it. All of the claims that it does were based on tests done with a Flawless Ribbon equipped. You would need more test cases to say for sure. Either way, it doesn't mean that it's not Special element. It's clearly an exception, I see no reason why dark resist couldn't help resist it even if it is special element.

Regardless of all of that, your model still does not account for Mijin Gakure. Can you really label that as any type of magic?

[Suiram]

It's certainly magic damage. I guess it's an interesting question whether all magic damage (as used in JAs and WSs) participate in the same classifications as spells (regardless of who is right about what those classifications may be).

[Suiram]

Anyway, Mojo, I didn't mean to get into a heated argument with you. When I first posted I was irritated at Jeryhn for posting stuff that simply wasn't true (or at least contradicted established evidence without offering anything to support it), and with that Yinnyth guy for responding to me with what was essentially the content of my own post between his reply and the one of mine that he quoted. I addressed you just to reiterate my point from before (which I think we've more than adequately hashed out at this pont and I think just come down on different sides) regarding the reliability of the old spell .dats, but like I said before I didn't mean any contempt towards you or your view.

[Virtuous Saint]

It's listed as Elemental Magic in the DATs, and Special as its element. I wouldn't say that it's clear as to whether dark resist gear actually affects it. All of the claims that it does were based on tests done with a Flawless Ribbon equipped. You would need more test cases to say for sure. Either way, it doesn't mean that it's not Special element. It's clearly an exception, I see no reason why dark resist couldn't help resist it even if it is special element.

Regardless of all of that, your model still does not account for Mijin Gakure. Can you really label that as any type of magic?

Flawless Ribbon is not the cause for resists, it is Dark Elemental Resistance gear period. As you can see I tested Meteors vs. Apollyon NW KB and found that day/weather do not affect damage (lightsday/dark weather), and I had flawless ribbon on for 4 casts that hit me non of which resisted. When I had dark resist build equipped for KB and AV I resisted almost every cast, flawless ribbon is not the cause however it is impossible to know if it is possible flawless ribbon can resist it because of the ailments shit really unless it resisted more than what you would think +30dark would. It could be possible Meteor is multiple elements or all elements, but one thing is highly evident, it is dark.

[pchan]

Flawless Ribbon is not the cause for resists, it is Dark Elemental Resistance gear period. As you can see I tested Meteors vs. Apollyon NW KB and found that day/weather do not affect damage (lightsday/dark weather), and I had flawless ribbon on for 4 casts that hit me non of which resisted. When I had dark resist build equipped for KB and AV I resisted almost every cast, flawless ribbon is not the cause however it is impossible to know if it is possible flawless ribbon can resist it because of the ailments shit really unless it resisted more than what you would think +30dark would. It could be possible Meteor is multiple elements or all elements, but one thing is highly evident, it is dark.

With all the "element of the day shit" whould it be possible that stacking baraero and dark gear increases resist ? Did you have baraero when you tried your 200 resist gear ? Would SE be that gay..

I have a question regarding how you bring AV to bracelet mode. You said that AV can use meteor randomly between 79% and 59%, does this means you stack mdt/b during this period to survive ? Also can it cast sequence of 2hrs before reaching bracelet mode ?

[Shinryuu]

If I've read the topic correctly you can make it rotate between two two-hours in which it is unable to cast. It's also evident non-bracelets Meteor is somewhat weaker than bracelets Meteor. I assume that helps with the whole survival thing.

[Virtuous Saint]

With all the "element of the day shit" whould it be possible that stacking baraero and dark gear increases resist ? Did you have baraero when you tried your 200 resist gear ? Would SE be that gay..

I have a question regarding how you bring AV to bracelet mode. You said that AV can use meteor randomly between 79% and 59%, does this means you stack mdt/b during this period to survive ? Also can it cast sequence of 2hrs before reaching bracelet mode ?

I didn't have baraero up, it could be possible it is multiple/all, but it is unlikely obviously. Once AV hits 79% it has Meteor and Comet on its spell list, and absolutely nothing changes this unless there is a way to lock, even if it regens back to 100% it can still cast them. Non-bracelets/Manafonted Meteor/Comet are roughly half the damage so they are not hard to survive even without the ramp. It only uses multiple 2hrs in a row once it has bracelets..

[pchan]

I didn't have baraero up, it could be possible it is multiple/all, but it is unlikely obviously. Once AV hits 79% it has Meteor and Comet on its spell list, and absolutely nothing changes this unless there is a way to lock, even if it regens back to 100% it can still cast them. Non-bracelets/Manafonted Meteor/Comet are roughly half the damage so they are not hard to survive even without the ramp. It only uses multiple 2hrs in a row once it has bracelets..

So basically locking manafont during the first 20% is the only thing needed to reach bracelets ?

[Virtuous Saint]

So basically locking manafont during the first 20% is the only thing needed to reach bracelets ?

Not sure what you mean by this but if you mean the only 2hr you need to lock.. obviously if it has benediction you don't fight it down because that would be retarded.

[Virtuous Saint]

we have landed slow as well, lands pretty easily for us actually

Is this a joke or?

[thetruepandagod]

Is this a joke or?

Asking if its a joke because you were under the assumption it was impossible or because you also land it occasionally and i didn't notice that while reading the thread?

[Virtuous Saint]

Asking if its a joke because you were under the assumption it was impossible or because you also land it occasionally and i didn't notice that while reading the thread?

lol no because I thought it was impossible, and I had the assumption that maybe it lost immunity it you lock 15/15 or something like that, but we have never done that yet so I frankly never really tried. Actually I might have once, but if I did it was resisted obviously.

[thetruepandagod]

We have landed it and its not too terrible to land according to my rdm's but im not sure if it was after 15/15 were locked or before but im 90% sure it was before they were all locked.

[donnie]

this support my theory that you lock job traits along with his 2hr of that job, coming from having MAB bonus during manafont, where after 79% you dont get it.

so did you land slow after locking bst and/or smn? since both jobs have resist slow job trait, might be after benediction too since whm has MDB job trait.

edit: lol wouldn't be funny if you actually landed ES silence after locking all jobs although he is wind based >.>;

[Mojo]

I always thought that it was impossible to enfeeble as well, the ability to land Slow could be a turning point in understanding how to deal with Meteor. It might be a good idea to record the chat log of a fight where you fully lock AV (spamming Slow) to find what exactly allows you to do this.

[Virtuous Saint]

this support my theory that you lock job traits along with his 2hr of that job, coming from having MAB bonus during manafont, where after 79% you dont get it.

so did you land slow after locking bst and/or smn? since both jobs have resist slow job trait, might be after benediction too since whm has MDB job trait.

edit: lol wouldn't be funny if you actually landed ES silence after locking all jobs although he is wind based >.>;

He isn't wind based, he just casts wind magic, all of the elemental resistances are identical I am highly confident because you have to nuke according to the current day to lock regen. Secondly MDB has nothing to do with land rate of magic.

[Hogie]

He isn't wind based, he just casts wind magic, all of the elemental resistances are identical I am highly confident because you have to nuke according to the current day to lock regen. Secondly MDB has nothing to do with land rate of magic.

Maybe it is possible that once you have locked his regen he opens up resistance according to the day? Aka if his Regen is gone, and its Earth day, you will be able to land slow?

[Virtuous Saint]

Maybe it is possible that once you have locked his regen he opens up resistance according to the day? Aka if his Regen is gone, and its Earth day, you will be able to land slow?

Anything's possible looking at how SE has made secrets no one would ever find out.

[Ramses]

A million internets to the first to land silence on AV.

[pendragoon]

My LS attempted to use Hushed Daggers. I think that has a 100% proc on first hit on anything that can be silenced, but no proc.