Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[pchan]

Two things about slow.

1) Elemental seal slow should lands 99.75% of the time (I don't care about the duration) if it is not immune.

Should be easy to test right when it pops for exemple.

2) Non- elemental seal slow should land 9.75% of the time -no less - if it has extremely high evasion to it but is not immune.

case 2) happens for mobs like odin.

[Virtuous Saint]

Two things about slow.

1) Elemental seal slow should lands 99.75% of the time (I don't care about the duration) if it is not immune.

Should be easy to test right when it pops for exemple.

2) Non- elemental seal slow should land 9.75% of the time -no less - if it has extremely high evasion to it but is not immune.

case 2) happens for mobs like odin.

Have you ever ES Silenced Suzaku? How could you possibly say it would be 99.75 if you have no clue about the specifics of the mob other than it has 89INT based on testing.

[Yinnyth]

Our linkshell has attempted multiple times to land ESeal slow on AV at 100% HP with nothing locked on him. We weren't able to land any standard debuffs at all (blind, slow, paralyze, elegy). These were all just tests we ran to determine how badly we'd get our asses kicked if we gave him a serious effort, and ever since then we've operated under the assumption he's completely immune.

I won't say it's impossible, but someone's gotta call POIDH on this I think...

[pchan]

Have you ever ES Silenced Suzaku? How could you possibly say it would be 99.75 if you have no clue about the specifics of the mob other than it has 89INT based on testing.

Suzaku resist ES silence 100 % ? No. If AV resists your ES slow, which I assume people have already tried plenty of time, it pretty much means that it is immune. So if the guy provides a pic where slow lands it mean they did something to it.

[Virtuous Saint]

Suzaku resist ES silence 100 % ? No. If AV resists your ES slow, which I assume people have already tried plenty of time, it pretty much means that it is immune. So if the guy provides a pic where slow lands it mean they did something to it.

No my point was you said ES slow should land 99.75% of the time if it wasn't immune to it, but if you have tried landing ES silence on suzaku you would know that ES doesn't mean you are almost guaranteed to land on everything.

[thetruepandagod]

i dont think pchan realizes that suzaku resists ES slow the majority of the time.... but then again i dont think pchan realizes a lot of things

[Hogie]

No my point was you said ES slow should land 99.75% of the time if it wasn't immune to it, but if you have tried landing ES silence on suzaku you would know that ES doesn't mean you are almost guaranteed to land on everything.

It is true, if you ES Silence Suzy, you do have a chance to silence it (hell i have silenced it without ES) but i would say even ES Silence on Suzy has a 70 or 80% chance to resist. I wouldn't rule out the idea that AV is slowable, but the conditions you need to meet to be able to slow it / resist rate to be able to slow it are very high (maybe until you unlock something?).

Pchan, saying you have a 99.75% chance to ES {Insert Enfeeble Here} something when it has the ability to land is just non sense and you should go back to your hole if you believe otherwise.

[pchan]

No my point was you said ES slow should land 99.75% of the time if it wasn't immune to it, but if you have tried landing ES silence on suzaku you would know that ES doesn't mean you are almost guaranteed to land on everything.

So what ? If AV is not immune and if it has resist slow you cannot go below 9.75% landing rate, elemental seal or not. I'm assuming a lot more than 10 slow (ES or not) have been done on AV. All resisted, therefore it is immune.

i dont think pchan realizes that suzaku resists ES slow the majority of the time.... but then again i dont think pchan realizes a lot of things

Any gimp whm 15 can land it 10% of the time since it's lower cap, I think I know more shit than you.

Pchan, saying you have a 99.75% chance to ES {Insert Enfeeble Here} something when it has the ability to land is just non sense and you should go back to your hole if you believe otherwise.

It's fact if ES caps you.

[Hogie]

It's fact if ES caps you.

Just because ES caps your accuracy does not mean its going to land 99.75% of the time. How do you know that AV does not have a 10% success rate when you are casting with 100% accuracy?

If ES caps accuracy, then how can you explain ES Silence getting resisted on Suzy sometimes, but sometimes it lands? Would your explanation of 100% accuracy mean that ES Silence would land on Suzy 99.75% of the time even if it only Silence's it for a split second? How can you explain it saying Suzaku completely resisting silence when it is not immune to silence?

[pchan]

Just because ES caps your accuracy does not mean its going to land 99.75% of the time. How do you know that AV does not have a 10% success rate when you are casting with 100% accuracy?

Because slow has never, ever landed on AV, ever. This is is high enough evidence that it is immune.

If ES caps accuracy, then how can you explain ES Silence getting resisted on Suzy sometimes, but sometimes it lands?

I didn't say ES caps accuracy, I said *if* it caps accuracy. Noone can tell what amount of accuracy ES adds. And for all we know resist trait resist the upper cap of landing rate.

[Hogie]

Because slow has never, ever landed on AV, ever. This is is high enough evidence that it is immune.

I didn't say ES caps accuracy, I said *if* it caps accuracy. Noone can tell what amount of accuracy ES adds. And for all we know resist trait resist the upper cap of landing rate.

Then dont say shit like

It's fact if ES caps you.

when you are implying that it is fact.

[pchan]

Then dont say shit like when you are implying that it is fact.

Learn2read I said If ES caps you, not that ES caps you.

[Hogie]

Learn2read I said If ES caps you, not that ES caps you.

Maybe you can learn2read2? I said you shouldn't imply that its FACT! Your just talking shit non stop like you know every fact of FFXI and then you go back on all your words and say "ohhh im just saying it could be". Wipe your mouth because your talking out of your ass.

Now i understand why people dont argue with Pchan........

[Changz]

Rather than argue about it, how about we just revisit the testing of enfeebles on AV?

[Therin]

So what ? If AV is not immune and if it has resist slow you cannot go below 9.75% landing rate, elemental seal or not. I'm assuming a lot more than 10 slow (ES or not) have been done on AV. All resisted, therefore it is immune.

This statement is hilarious. Sig-worthy, in fact.

[Virtuous Saint]

It is true, if you ES Silence Suzy, you do have a chance to silence it (hell i have silenced it without ES) but i would say even ES Silence on Suzy has a 70 or 80% chance to resist. I wouldn't rule out the idea that AV is slowable, but the conditions you need to meet to be able to slow it / resist rate to be able to slow it are very high (maybe until you unlock something?).

Pchan, saying you have a 99.75% chance to ES {Insert Enfeeble Here} something when it has the ability to land is just non sense and you should go back to your hole if you believe otherwise.

Ya that is what I meant, even with ES you still aren't landing extremely often.

[pchan]

This statement is hilarious. Sig-worthy, in fact.

What part did you not understand ? I believe more than 100 slow have been casted on AV ( lol ).

Considering elementary game mechanics (5% lower cap for landing rate, 4.75% for half resist) the probability that all 100 casts have resisted (fully) is (1-9.75/100)^100=0.0035%.

Even an idiot like you can conlude I bet.

[Virg]

How bout you stop that shit before you turn this whole thread in another shitstorm that gets locked? Take it to PMs.

[Rocl]

Weighing in my amazing opinion, but I am nearly certain I recall Slow being landed during the Kraken zerging days of AV. I recall seeing it during a video and flipping the fuck out, but I don't know how extensively it's been tested since then (after all it was immune before, so why re-test after every patch?).

My memory is also shitty, and everyone should use the meteor resist builds in my sig, duh. DID YOU EVEN TRY LIGHT RESET, VS?

[stewie]

My memory is also shitty, and everyone should use the meteor resist builds in my sig, duh. DID YOU EVEN TRY LIGHT RESET, VS?

Noone uses them because they can't see them, obviously.