Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Psion]

He has a point this time, automatons cast the element they sense will resist the least, which is why Oniwaka sticks to thunder III on genbu, and on some of the really hard orc NMs water IV instead of blizzard IV. (though if the recast of water IV isn't ready, he usually casts blizzard IV next)

Can't hurt to see what AV's elemental weaknesses are right? Though spiritreaver already has a scanner built in, so it might be pointless to use it with that frame, as it causes the automaton to double check and sometimes not cast at all on tougher mobs.

[Virtuous Saint]

If AV has a weakness to a certain element then it just means the developers are that much dumber, or did you not consider the fact that you have to nuke AV with the day of the week to lock regen? It is incredibly likely all elements are exactly equal in resist rate against AV, and based on everything I have seen and all the times I have fought it and nuked it, you cast w/e you like, as long as you are in elemental build you will be landing unresisted nukes for 400-500 damage at the start of the fight. The damage goes down as AV's HP decreases.

[Yinnyth]

It shouldn't be too hard to test completely solo as long as you have sea access and people who kill JoL on your server. Just stick around JoL's area on pup until someone comes to kill him. When they're all done, deploy, see what nuke your puppet does, deactivate. As long as your puppet never melees AV, he won't get his normal party hate link and he'll deaggro as soon as you deactivate. That trick can actually be used to deaggro AV as soon as he pops (he refuses to deaggro until he's done with his monologue for some weird reason, so you'll need whoever he starts off attacking to be able to survive about 3 hits.)

But in my opinion, it's not worth my time to test this. If it turns up some good information of any kind, I tip my taj to you, sir.

[Yugl]

DRG with AF helm and an offensive/hybrid sub will work too I believe.

[donnie]

I am still having my doubts on having to lock all 15 jobs to be able to stop/lower the dmg of meteor. The fact is in SE video he did 2hr 1sec before he died, so if anything they didn't lock all 15 2hrs to stop meteor, they did something else.

so from that point, you would start to think what could be done to lock/lower meteor.
Now there are only 2 reasons why the rdm/thf diaga and flee wynavs while at the same time the drg did call wyrvan to match the 2hr:

1- the wynavs HP back then was much higher and would require 8 blms AoE to kill them, and he just had to take them away until their blms get ready to nuke them.
2- he kited wynavs so that they lock the other 2hrs aka nin,smn,bst.

so now I would go with option 1 (since he still 2hred 1 sec before death) , and this also had me doubting my theory about locking AV job traits with his 2hr. ( unless they wanted to lock smn & bst for slow?) but if so , BRD has resist silence, people would have been able to land silence after SV.

so with those 2 hypotheses gone ( at least imo) what other assumptions we can play with? my new thought now is :
I dont remember if he cast meteor while wynavs are all up( need verification), so maybe he wont cast meteor while they are all up or it might lower the dmg of meteor. this of course after locking down manafont and drg. ( this also explain why the rdm flee while they actually locked drg)

also random question: after locking manafont, does all his spells get lower damage or its only meteor ?

[Ramses]

I am still having my doubts on having to lock all 15 jobs to be able to stop/lower the dmg of meteor. The fact is in SE video he did 2hr 1sec before he died, so if anything they didn't lock all 15 2hrs to stop meteor, they did something else.

so from that point, you would start to think what could be done to lock/lower meteor.
Now there are only 2 reasons why the rdm/thf diaga and flee wynavs while at the same time the drg did call wyrvan to match the 2hr:

1- the wynavs HP back then was much higher and would require 8 blms AoE to kill them, and he just had to take them away until their blms get ready to nuke them.
2- he kited wynavs so that they lock the other 2hrs aka nin,smn,bst.

so now I would go with option 1 (since he still 2hred 1 sec before death) , and this also had me doubting my theory about locking AV job traits with his 2hr. ( unless they wanted to lock smn & bst for slow?) but if so , BRD has resist silence, people would have been able to land silence after SV.

so with those 2 hypotheses gone ( at least imo) what other assumptions we can play with? my new thought now is :
I dont remember if he cast meteor while wynavs are all up( need verification), so maybe he wont cast meteor while they are all up or it might lower the dmg of meteor. this of course after locking down manafont and drg. ( this also explain why the rdm flee while they actually locked drg)

also random question: after locking manafont, does all his spells get lower damage or its only meteor ?

Why is hypothesis number 2 gone (the one about locking brd and resist silence trait)? How many people tried to silence after locking soul voice? I was under the impression nobody was even trying silence since everyone thought he was immune. I'd say that is still a valid theory to test. I also think it can still be a % trigger, either 79% or 59%. Bracelet mode would even make some sense. He goes into a kind of berserk mode. Just like player berserk increases attack and reduces defense maybe bracelet increases attack and defense but lowers his resistance to enfeebles.

[Guitarman]

the sun's setting on ffxi, the devs really need to give up the fucking cryptic secret on this bastard already.

[Genrye]

Quick question to VS, if the wyverns are out does AV do any other 2-hours but the ones linked with them?

[Enygma55]

I dont think we can draw anything else from SE's Video at this point in time. The only thing you can definitively pull from it is the use of 2hr and magic of day works to some degree.

AV has been patched multiple times and its all ninja'd so we have no clue if anything is related anymore.

[pchan]

At one point in the video you see a wynav being kited away and then astral flow goes off, and he didn't have bracelet, so they are definitely keeping them kited.

[Virtuous Saint]

Quick question to VS, if the wyverns are out does AV do any other 2-hours but the ones linked with them?

What? I think the answer to this is in my OP, if at least 1 wynav is present it can use AF mijin and familiar, if at least 1 wynav is dead it can also use call wyvern again.

[seiji]

What? I think the answer to this is in my OP, if at least 1 wynav is present it can use AF mijin and familiar, if at least 1 wynav is dead it can also use call wyvern again.

I think the question was "Does AV use anyother 2h than a pet related (manafont, CS, HF ....)if @least a wynav is out?"

[Virtuous Saint]

I am still having my doubts on having to lock all 15 jobs to be able to stop/lower the dmg of meteor. The fact is in SE video he did 2hr 1sec before he died, so if anything they didn't lock all 15 2hrs to stop meteor, they did something else.

so from that point, you would start to think what could be done to lock/lower meteor.
Now there are only 2 reasons why the rdm/thf diaga and flee wynavs while at the same time the drg did call wyrvan to match the 2hr:

1- the wynavs HP back then was much higher and would require 8 blms AoE to kill them, and he just had to take them away until their blms get ready to nuke them.
2- he kited wynavs so that they lock the other 2hrs aka nin,smn,bst.

so now I would go with option 1 (since he still 2hred 1 sec before death) , and this also had me doubting my theory about locking AV job traits with his 2hr. ( unless they wanted to lock smn & bst for slow?) but if so , BRD has resist silence, people would have been able to land silence after SV.

so with those 2 hypotheses gone ( at least imo) what other assumptions we can play with? my new thought now is :
I dont remember if he cast meteor while wynavs are all up( need verification), so maybe he wont cast meteor while they are all up or it might lower the dmg of meteor. this of course after locking down manafont and drg. ( this also explain why the rdm flee while they actually locked drg)

also random question: after locking manafont, does all his spells get lower damage or its only meteor ?

First of all, your doubts, along with doubts anyone else has are completely irrelevant, yes I doubt that locking 15/15 locks/weakens Meteor, but the simple fact is there was a rumor from JP forums that it did so it is worth testing. Now the fact that AV 2hrs right before it dies obviously leads one to believe that locking all 15 is not going to do anything, but the fact is SE could have been cheating etc., also since that video was released AV has been changed twice, once reducing its max HP and once adding a damage resistance. When they lowered its max HP and placed a 2hr time limit on it they could have changed a million things about it we would never know about (I hope to fucking Christ they did, because if they merely lowered its HP by half and expected the fight to go from 10-18hr to 2hr they are the most brain dead fucks on the planet).

AV casts Meteor while wynavs are up, you crazy lol? If that was the answer it would have died several times post-2hr locking secret being disclosed. The RDM flees them off to allow AV to use AF mijin and familiar (these are used in the video which means this is factual) so they can lock them, or show them attempting to.

Locking Manafont does 1 thing, does not allow AV to use Manafont again, nothing more, nothing less. Manafont Meteor will do roughly 6000 damage; Non-Bracelets/Manafonted Meteor (after 79%) will do roughly 3000 damage; Bracelets Meteor (after 59%) will do roughly 5500 damage. AV doesn't lose MAB after you lock Manafont... No 2hr you lock from AV changes AV, there is one possible reason slow can land on AV and that is, locking 2hrs or regen or both. AV doesn't net 'Resist! Absolute Virtue resists the effects of the spell!', because it isn't depending on traits to resist, and because it almost certainly does not get traits. AV resists because it is immune or nearly immune at the start of the fight (now, there likely is a way to drop the immunity since people have claimed to have landed slow).

[Virtuous Saint]

I think the question was "Does AV use anyother 2h than a pet related (manafont, CS, HF ....)if @least a wynav is out?"

If that was the question it isn't worth answering really, anyone should know that, I don't know why I would have to put such obvious widely known knowledge in the OP (I didn't because I expected people to know obvious things), this sounds harsh but come on people. The answer is obviously yes, that has absolutely no affect except for the fact that it has a higher chance of not using them due to the fact that it has access to 3 additional 2hrs.

[pchan]

Did you ever manage to lock Famaliar, Astral flow, Mijin Gakure and then Call Wyvern (by keeping one or more wyverns alive) ?

[Narse]

Did you ever manage to lock Famaliar, Astral flow, Mijin Gakure and then Call Wyvern (by keeping one or more wyverns alive) ?

Yeah, we've done that. Actually we locked Call Wyvern first, then the other 3 since we kept one wynav alive from the Call Wyvern until we locked those 3 2hrs.

[Virtuous Saint]

It is impossible to know if they held all 3, or killed 1 or 2 of them. We have held 1 up the entire fight multiple times before and it had no evident affect at all.

[Massimo]

One thing you guys might not have tried yet is possibly Keeping ALL 3 wyverns alive and locking all their 2 hrs, then kiting them for the entire fight.
I would try to mimick everything exactly shown in the SE video. They kited all 3 wyverns so I would try to do it that way.

Would make no sense for SE to lock Call wyvern and keep the pets out to lock the other 3, two hrs, if they could just kill the pets back then and all 4 are locked that way.

Unless as you stated, they had alot of HP and were hard to kill.
But once again... I doubt Blms nuking the wyverns with ga 3 and killing them is going to be HARDER then locking 3 different 2 hours with perfect blind timing and then kiting them forever. I would have killed the Wyverns with ga after locking call wyvern. Pets have played a role in all of the Jailers "powers" including very high regen, magic reflect, number of times reraise can occur etc.

EDIT: I also might want to add that noone has found a single secret about AV's pets that affect AV in any way what-so-ever. I am very positive that the final secret to AV lies in those pets, possibly affecting braclets mode in some way.

Hell it could even be something retarded like nuking the wyverns with an element lowers the MAB of the that element when AV cast it... which could mean that rdm would have to spam dia and bio 100x on those pets to lower meteor damage lol. But I doubt that anyways.

This is not entirely true, seeing as you need to keep at least one alive or AV can't use Familiar, Mijin and Astral Flow. Doubt they'll play a bigger role than that, but I guess we'll see.

[Virtuous Saint]

I had an idea a while back about running AV completely out of MP so it physically could not cast Meteor, the only question is how long it would take to run it out. Basically the best possible way to do this would be to first of all, lock every 2hr except Benediction and Chainspell, so it would rotate between these (Benediction is instant so it would be going to Chainspell asap). After they are locked you put 2 parties of 5BLM and 1BRD in the alliance and they literally do nothing but cast Aspir again and again as soon as the timer is up.

BRDs obviously double march them while players outside of alliance keep haste on them. Basically if they did this while AV used ridiculous amounts of MP through Chainspell it would run out fairly quickly I believe. Once it has 0MP you simply dominate it asap with no worry of Meteor. Again the only question is how long it would take to deplete all of its MP (this would have been much more viable if it didn't have a god damn stupid 2hr time limit).

[TheTaru]

I honestly have no idea where I read this, so feel free to tell me I'm wrong, but don't Meteor/Comet have a really low MP cost?