Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Virtuous Saint]

Anyone have any SSs or video of AV taking damage in bracelets mode (from a zerg or even back in the day of locks occurring due to wynav kills)? At the moment, and I'm not sure if it's a gradual resist or if it just happens when bracelets come out, but it gains a massive resistance to all damage (aegis shield bash does like 130 or so, ES burst 2 for 500ish, etc). I'm pretty sure that this did not happen at all before the KC patch, as I don't recall noting any kind of reduced damage from KCing it towards the end.

It seems like it could be something done in error, as there is no reason for AV to have that kind of damage resistance when taking it down normally, and if it wasn't there before that patch, it's probably an issue that really needs to be addressed.

It is gradual based on our videos, Shield Bash damage constantly goes down from approx. 220 to approx. 110 lowest seen from us getting AV to about 43-45%. I have seen damages of all different amounts in that range (110-220), you can see them if you watch the video linked in the OP. Imo it is not bracelets or 79% triggers, it seems to gain -PDT and -MDT at a constant rate as its HP gets lower.

[Chun Liroy]

VS, if your plan works properly to get it to use CS with the expensive spells, Wouldn't you get it to the point where the only spell it can use is Meteor (say you run it down to 50 mp, can't cast any aero spells, only comet and meteor once under 79%) make it worse? And as far as I can understand, under 59% Meteor is a job ability? Or is it still considered a spell but has job ability speed?

Edit: I see what you mean about aspir so nevermind on that part, but is sub 59% meteor considered a Job Ability or Spell?

[Suiram]

Been a long time since I did FF math and have only sampled most of the thread so I have no idea if it's already been discussed, but if bracelets are indeed a MAB and not a +%, +INT, or base damage boost, wouldn't MDB gear/traits/abilities be super-effective? That being said, I have no idea how much it would hurt your Physical dmg or Dark resist to idle in an MDB set, since there's really no way of knowing when he's going to throw a Meteor/Comet at you.

Not really, this idea is likely based on the broad misconception that MDB is somehow stronger/weaker if the mob's MAB is higher/lower. This is not the case. The % decrease in damage from adding MDB depends only on the MDB you already have. If you go from, say, 30 MDB to 40 MDB, the damage you take will go down 7.1%. If AV gets a huge increase in MAB from Manafont/Bracelets, going from 30 > 40 MDB will still reduce the damage you take 7.1%. If he gets a seperate +% multiplier, going from 30 > 40 will still reduce damage 7.1%. If he gets a boost in INT or in the base damages of Meteor/Comet, still 7.1%

Although, in the latter two cases (INT or Base Damage increase), adding INT will be a less effective means of reducing damage, so in that sense MDB becomes "better" comparatively. However, at least the bonus from Manafont cannot be an INT/Base Dmg increase alone (it might, however, be one or both of these AND an MAB or additional % multiplier) due to observed Meteor/Comet damage values during font. Bracelets is presumably the same, but I don't have any data to confirm.

[Mojo]

... after thinking about it, Suiram is definitely right about that. Woops.

[cloudedge]

After they are locked you put 2 parties of 5BLM and 1BRD in the alliance and they literally do nothing but cast Aspir again and again as soon as the timer is up.

if time is an issue, sch/ or /sch for Alacrity aspir can help

[Virtuous Saint]

if time is an issue, sch/ or /sch for Alacrity aspir can help

Yes everything to get it to 0MP asap.

[Virtuous Saint]

VS, if your plan works properly to get it to use CS with the expensive spells, Wouldn't you get it to the point where the only spell it can use is Meteor (say you run it down to 50 mp, can't cast any aero spells, only comet and meteor once under 79%) make it worse? And as far as I can understand, under 59% Meteor is a job ability? Or is it still considered a spell but has job ability speed?

Edit: I see what you mean about aspir so nevermind on that part, but is sub 59% meteor considered a Job Ability or Spell?

Idk what you mean about works properly to get it to use CS, that I know would work flawlessly. BLMs would obviously Aspir it to 0MP then it couldn't cast anything. Meteor is always a spell, it is never a job ability on AV, the only thing that changes is damage.

[pchan]

Did anyone figure out manafont's damage formula ? More preceisely, the INT multiplier and/or the base damage?

[Ermac]

Also, maybe I should mention, but the guy who originally posted that was lieing. He lied because that was his theory and he wanted people to believe it. It's now even more clearly a lie because what the "black shirted mercenary" said about locking two hours is simply not true.

Yeah, I just figured anything is still open...hes not dead yet so \._./

[Suiram]

As I just said it's not an increase in INT or base damage (or it's not that alone, in any case). It's an increase in MAB or a multiplier applied after MAB is calculated.

[Genrye]

What? I think the answer to this is in my OP, if at least 1 wynav is present it can use AF mijin and familiar, if at least 1 wynav is dead it can also use call wyvern again.

No no, Like, if all of the wynavs are out can it use benediction and 2 hours not related to the pets?

[Thorny]

No no, Like, if all of the wynavs are out can it use benediction and 2 hours not related to the pets?

Yes, it can, as multiple people have stated. Jesus.

[Mae]

No no, Like, if all of the wynavs are out can it use benediction and 2 hours not related to the pets?

... stop posting yo.


@ VS: Best of luck with the aspir strategy, excellent idea. Do you plan to test it soon?

edit: Only thing I could think of to aid your strat (if it's not there already) is Dagger, Club, possibly other weapons have drain mp weapon skills that could be useful for speeding up the process. However, if you're trying to lock 2-hrs in the same moment, your melee can't really be off tping or sleeping.

[Virtuous Saint]

... stop posting yo.


@ VS: Best of luck with the aspir strategy, excellent idea. Do you plan to test it soon?

I would fight AV all day, its whether my ls will or if we have people to;/

[Yugl]

You could probably ask a group doing JoL if you can test this idea using their AV. I personally never thought this would be a viable tactic since it would be silly that the toughest NM in the game doesn't have unlimited MP or there would be time constraints.

[Sephoroth]

Haven't read it in a while due to work and such, but as for the enfeebling him... i beleive i read that someone said slow has been landed on it... i'm wondering if maybe when slow was landed on him, was it on earth day? i mean if regen is killed by nuke of day, then wouldn't enfeebles maybe be that of the day also? i've never fought it so i don't know just a thought. Good luck tho to those who are fighting it/going to fight it, hopefully ya'll figure out the bracelets meteor shit.

[Stromgarde]

Haven't read it in a while due to work and such, but as for the enfeebling him... i beleive i read that someone said slow has been landed on it... i'm wondering if maybe when slow was landed on him, was it on earth day? i mean if regen is killed by nuke of day, then wouldn't enfeebles maybe be that of the day also? i've never fought it so i don't know just a thought. Good luck tho to those who are fighting it/going to fight it, hopefully ya'll figure out the bracelets meteor shit.

The only enfeeble that might matter is magic attack down, and the only way even that would matter would be if it overwrote (not stacked with) the magic attack bonus that comes with the red bracelets. After all, 92% of 3000 still means you're dead.

[drwaffles]

AV may indeed have a limited MP supply as Kirin does, but I'd also bank on it having a similarly ridiculously large MP pool that's not depletable by the means you described within the time limit. It's a nice idea, though, and I hope that it works if you decide to put it into practice. If you do, I'd like to put forward the suggestion of placing a SCH in each party instead of a 5th BLM (or at least cycling one in and out) in order to Accession + Voidstorm and Manifestation + Klimaform to give all the BLMs an accuracy and potency boost. Of course the SCHs themselves can also attempt to Aspir in conjunction with Alacrity if you were to keep them in the alliance permanently.

[Ohemgee]

Sylph's AV stream on USTREAM: . MMO

iZerg + SymbiosisX on sylph

PS: Apologize for watermark and shitty quality etc

Gonna start soonish

[drwaffles]

Sylph's AV stream on USTREAM: . MMO

iZerg + SymbiosisX on sylph

PS: Apologize for watermark and shitty quality etc

Gonna start soonish

Going to start JoL or AV soonish? I'm assuming JoL.