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[Virtuous Saint]

VS we were trying to lock all 15 today but for some reason it fucked up and somehow the wynav died randomly 0 idea how, which made it impossible for us to lock familiar/astral flow. Other then that we weren't aiming to learn anything and weren't really interested in livestreaming either that was someone outside the ls. Next saturday we wont lock call wyvern first and will make sure that we lock AF/familiar/mijin first before locking call wyvern. We didnt lock Mighty Strikes or Manafont but for some reason he still didn't use them, at all whatsoever even from 100% to 57% no idea why or how. Attempted ES slow on earthsday and watersday and both got resisted. Gonna be trying again next saturday with less fuck ups on our part.

First of all, it is incredibly useful to attempt to lock Call Wyvern when it is first used because it is used so frequently it is one main 2hr you want locked first try instantly (the obvious reason being, it will no longer be able to continue use of this 2hr, and instead go on to other 2hrs so you can continue to lock). Remember the best possible thing you could do is lock each 2hr as it appears, first try aka every time it 2hrs from the very start locking 1 after another. Nothing is wrong with locking Call Wyvern right off the bat unless you accidentally kill all 3 wynavs. What you want to do is have the kiter grab 1 while the other 2 are killed instantly. The kiter takes it to low HP % ~5% so Mijin has no chance of killing them, you then proceed to lock 2hr after 2hr.

I can't explain what happened in your situation because I obviously truly have no idea, but the fact is we have done the exact same thing by holding 1 wynav the entire time, they don't just die. That is the best way to do it.

[Ohemgee]

Yeah after the last set of 2hrs, he didn't do anything but comet and meteor. Even got to bracelet mode without seeing a 2hr

[tristainpld]

Regardless of the wynav situation or not it was still a strange AV considering MS and Manafont were never locked yet he stopped using 2hr's.

couldve been that it was stuck on AF in the rotation but couldnt ever use it due to the last wyvern dieing. lesson learned....dont lock Call Wyvern til other pet 2 hours locked...no biggie.

[Virtuous Saint]

Yeah after the last set of 2hrs, he didn't do anything but comet and meteor. Even got to bracelet mode without seeing a 2hr

It doesn't just Comet/Meteor, they are a % chance, while they might be higher than AeroV AerogaIV and Tornado II, they are just a chance. Idk what you mean by didn't 2hr after last set, but all information about how 2hrs work has been well documented in this thread. You guys should have walked into the fight with exceptional knowledge of everything that would happen, that is why I made this thread.

[tristainpld]

First of all, it is incredibly useful to attempt to lock Call Wyvern when it is first used because it is used so frequently it is one main 2hr you want locked first try instantly (the obvious reason being, it will no longer be able to continue use of this 2hr, and instead go on to other 2hrs so you can continue to lock). Remember the best possible thing you could do is lock each 2hr as it appears, first try aka every time it 2hrs from the very start locking 1 after another. Nothing is wrong with locking Call Wyvern right off the bat unless you accidentally kill all 3 wynavs. What you want to do is have the kiter grab 1 while the other 2 are killed instantly. The kiter takes it to low HP % ~5% so Mijin has no chance of killing them, you then proceed to lock 2hr after 2hr.

I can't explain what happened in your situation because I obviously truly have no idea, but the fact is we have done the exact same thing by holding 1 wynav the entire time, they don't just die. That is the best way to do it.

id have to disagree with this if youre trying to lock ALLLLL of the 2 hours to see if you can lock cmet later in the fight. locking call wyvern first means you only got one shot to lock AF, mijin etc and in our cause it somehow miraculously died and f'd us all up. keep call wyvern open til the other pet 2 hours are locked. then you can lock it.

[Virtuous Saint]

couldve been that it was stuck on AF in the rotation but couldnt ever use it due to the last wyvern dieing. lesson learned....dont lock Call Wyvern til other pet 2 hours locked...no biggie.

Wrong move if you do this just because of what happened, it will only cost you time.

[Virtuous Saint]

id have to disagree with this if youre trying to lock ALLLLL of the 2 hours to see if you can lock cmet later in the fight. locking call wyvern first means you only got one shot to lock AF, mijin etc and in our cause it somehow miraculously died and f'd us all up. keep call wyvern open til the other pet 2 hours are locked. then you can lock it.

Um, no you don't have 1 chance, you have literally speaking endless chances until AV despawns, the only thing that can change this is if the wynav dies, which you can't explain and neither can I, but I do know that didn't happen for us.

[thetruepandagod]

First of all, it is incredibly useful to attempt to lock Call Wyvern when it is first used because it is used so frequently it is one main 2hr you want locked first try instantly (the obvious reason being, it will no longer be able to continue use of this 2hr, and instead go on to other 2hrs so you can continue to lock). Remember the best possible thing you could do is lock each 2hr as it appears, first try aka every time it 2hrs from the very start locking 1 after another. Nothing is wrong with locking Call Wyvern right off the bat unless you accidentally kill all 3 wynavs. What you want to do is have the kiter grab 1 while the other 2 are killed instantly. The kiter takes it to low HP % ~5% so Mijin has no chance of killing them, you then proceed to lock 2hr after 2hr.

I can't explain what happened in your situation because I obviously truly have no idea, but the fact is we have done the exact same thing by holding 1 wynav the entire time, they don't just die. That is the best way to do it.

Initially this was the plan, we wanted to lock each 2hr as it happened to give us the max amount of time possible to fight AV while locked, And what you stated in handling the wynavs is exactly how we have done in the fight prior, took it to 5-10% and just had some random person hold it off in the distance. Today however had a bit of bad luck because people that were supposed to be locking 2hr's were constantly dc'n and people that never used On event before were fucking it up.

All i can say is, Nothing was learned from this fight nor am i stating anything was so i hope no one else is saying this. And that next saturday when we try again it will hopefully be as smooth as our past AV attempts(not today's) and we will end up locking 15/15 with no problems and end up being able to either learn about Meteor/Comet or Enfeeble resists being affected as a result.

[willriker]

Someone Landed Slow on AV when he was nerfed to 2 hours and he depops but before the k-club souleater fix.
Slow landed 100% I wish I had the damn screenshot but I think it was Jackyl's LS. I Believe they magic bursted Slow at a very low percentage in the zerg and it landed.
This monster is way to impossible to kill during braclets says everyone who fights him so there should be a way to land elegy on this bastard or at least stun at the lower percentages.

Each CoP monster had a way to weaken them and the jailers all had gimmicks with their pets.

Fortitude: Has reflect until pets die.
Ix DRK: supposely reraises less with his pets dead instead of depopped.
JOL: Regen lowers more and more when pets die.
JOJ: His pets mijin and familar but you can nuke them outside of the JOJ alliance fighters. kind of a secret trick I guess.

AV has access to all 2 hrs but he is a DRG mob. His pets are also wyverns.
SE seemed to lock call wyvern but used a rdm/thf to keep them anyways for some reason. The DRG was also handling the pets towards the end of the battle.

This is what i was referancing when i say that its been slowed. If it is jackyl's LS perhaps there is a video of it somewhere. Or even a screen shot. I assume this to be correct. I dont have a vid or screen shot to share to prove it though. At any rate, Slow has landed after the patch that decreased AV's HP but before the patch that killed KCDRK zerg.

There was another mention of this in this thread as well. Which lead me to believe it.

Obviously, we didnt bother completely nerfing regen or locking AV's two hours during the breif time that KC DRK strat was viable. While i recognize that locking AV's regen and two hours are very important to AV... I do not see a how we can make a leap to think that it will somehow allow us to withstand meteor.

I really wish i could find a vid of the fight he was talking about.

[tristainpld]

It doesn't just Comet/Meteor, they are a % chance, while they might be higher than AeroV AerogaIV and Tornado II, they are just a chance. Idk what you mean by didn't 2hr after last set, but all information about how 2hrs work has been well documented in this thread. You guys should have walked into the fight with exceptional knowledge of everything that would happen, that is why I made this thread.

he means we didnt lock MS and Manafont and yet it stopped 2 houring the entire fight....was glitched or stuck on AF or something. anyways...our goal is to try to lock all 2 hours and hopefully comet to beat him cause as you state in your thread 45% and lower is a b*tch if you cant figure out how.

[Virtuous Saint]

Initially this was the plan, we wanted to lock each 2hr as it happened to give us the max amount of time possible to fight AV while locked, And what you stated in handling the wynavs is exactly how we have done in the fight prior, took it to 5-10% and just had some random person hold it off in the distance. Today however had a bit of bad luck because people that were supposed to be locking 2hr's were constantly dc'n and people that never used On event before were fucking it up.

All i can say is, Nothing was learned from this fight nor am i stating anything was so i hope no one else is saying this. And that next saturday when we try again it will hopefully be as smooth as our past AV attempts(not today's) and we will end up locking 15/15 with no problems and end up being able to either learn about Meteor/Comet or Enfeeble resists being affected as a result.

I truly hope you guys have better luck next fight, and no one is saying anything was learned, but they are posting information already available throughout this thread lol.

[Virtuous Saint]

This is what i was referancing when i say that its been slowed. If it is jackyl's LS perhaps there is a video of it somewhere. Or even a screen shot. I assume this to be correct. I dont have a vid or screen shot to share to prove it though. At any rate, Slow has landed after the patch that decreased AV's HP but before the patch that killed KCDRK zerg.

There was another mention of this in this thread as well. Which lead me to believe it.

Obviously, we didnt bother completely nerfing regen or locking AV's two hours during the breif time that KC DRK strat was viable. While i recognize that locking AV's regen and two hours are very important to AV... I do not see a how we can make a leap to think that it will somehow allow us to withstand meteor.

I really wish i could find a vid of the fight he was talking about.

If you truly saw a pic, I believe you, there is no reason for you to lie about this lol, just helps put it in perspective for everyone else.

[thetruepandagod]

I truly hope you guys have better luck next fight, and no one is saying anything was learned, but they are posting information already available throughout this thread lol.

Gonna get that buffer and try again thx~ Also if kaeko is reading this i still have that 75 whm account that he can play if he wont be busy next saturday.

[Virtuous Saint]

he means we didnt lock MS and Manafont and yet it stopped 2 houring the entire fight....was glitched or stuck on AF or something. anyways...our goal is to try to lock all 2 hours and hopefully comet to beat him cause as you state in your thread 45% and lower is a b*tch if you cant figure out how.

Well it isn't 45% and lower, it is bracelets and lower, that is even if it regens back to 100% with bracelets out. You say it was glitched on AF and you didn't lock MS or Manafont, and a wynav glitched to death somehow so clearly something in its AI fucked up I guess lol. AF as far as can be know from player perspective is the wynavs gain TP and breath attack once, that is all.

[Ramses]

VS we were trying to lock all 15 today but for some reason it fucked up and somehow the wynav died randomly 0 idea how, which made it impossible for us to lock familiar/astral flow. Other then that we weren't aiming to learn anything and weren't really interested in livestreaming either that was someone outside the ls. Next saturday we wont lock call wyvern first and will make sure that we lock AF/familiar/mijin first before locking call wyvern. We didnt lock Mighty Strikes or Manafont but for some reason he still didn't use them, at all whatsoever even from 100% to 57% no idea why or how. Attempted ES slow on earthsday and watersday and both got resisted. Gonna be trying again next saturday with less fuck ups on our part.

Edit: i was just randomly flashing the wynav on mule staying locked on it to make sure no one touched it, it did Hydro breath @ 46% and then just fell to the ground.

Maybe also try to ES slow and ES silence after bracelets are out. Also try to magic burst slow and silence and see if that makes a difference.

[tristainpld]

Um, no you don't have 1 chance, you have literally speaking endless chances until AV despawns, the only thing that can change this is if the wynav dies, which you can't explain and neither can I, but I do know that didn't happen for us.

agreed....but i think today is more than enough of an example to lock CW after the other pet 2 hours just in case something weird happens. not saying the mystery wyvern death move will happen everytime, but theres other things that can go wrong...like a blm accidently aga'ing or something which ruins 2 hours worth of fighting. time wont be an issue once we find out how to lock comet. we ve locked the 2 hours with close to 40 mins left to fight before. call wyvern isnt a especially "dangerous" 2 hour anyways so im guessing our ls wont lock it before the other pet 2 hours are locked anymore.

[thetruepandagod]

Maybe also try to ES slow and ES silence after bracelets are out. Also try to magic burst slow and silence and see if that makes a difference.

Tried 1 ES slow after bracelets were out did jackshit, starting to think my rdm's that told me they landed it were high again.

Also i think the best part of tonights AV was when it drew in one of our whm's on top of the wall and then flew over there after him.

[Ramses]

agreed....but i think today is more than enough of an example to lock CW after the other pet 2 hours just in case something weird happens. not saying the mystery wyvern death move will happen everytime, but theres other things that can go wrong...like a blm accidently aga'ing or something which ruins 2 hours worth of fighting. time wont be an issue once we find out how to lock comet. we ve locked the 2 hours with close to 40 mins left to fight before. call wyvern isnt a especially "dangerous" 2 hour anyways so im guessing our ls wont lock it before the other pet 2 hours are locked anymore.

The problem is he will continue to call wyvern instead of other two hours that you can lock and waste a lot of time. Say the 14th 2 hour he does that you lock is astral flow and you save call wyvern until last. He may use call wyvern 5+ times in between and waste a lot of time. If you take call wyvern off the list, he can only do two hours you can lock.

[Virtuous Saint]

agreed....but i think today is more than enough of an example to lock CW after the other pet 2 hours just in case something weird happens. not saying the mystery wyvern death move will happen everytime, but theres other things that can go wrong...like a blm accidently aga'ing or something which ruins 2 hours worth of fighting. time wont be an issue once we find out how to lock comet. we ve locked the 2 hours with close to 40 mins left to fight before. call wyvern isnt a especially "dangerous" 2 hour anyways so im guessing our ls wont lock it before the other pet 2 hours are locked anymore.

I understand the concerns, but all you have to do is convey to the BLMs to absolutely not start the -ga until one of the wynavs is claimed (the wynavs can stay on a tank for several mins without a problem, they should easily be able to stand at the most 30sec). The problem with leaving CW unlocked is that unless you hold all 3 wynavs it will be able to CW subsequent times while you are attempting to lock other 2hrs, and this prolongs locking all 2hrs the more times it occurs, and CW is the most frequently used 2hr AV has as has been observed from countless hours of fighting. It is clear you guys understand the importance of locking 2hr after 2hr as they come so you know this already I'm sure.

[Ramses]

Tried 1 ES slow after bracelets were out did jackshit, starting to think my rdm's that told me they landed it were high again.

Also i think the best part of tonights AV was when it drew in one of our whm's on top of the wall and then flew over there after him.

Hmm, well last hope is magic burst slow. I believe that is the way it was landed in the zerg video everyone is referring to anyway.