Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Virtuous Saint]

Yes, but Souleater works on different formulas entirely, and should be a good damage source that should be saved for what is currently the hardest form (since you can only use it as a damage source for a short period of time in the entire fight).

Souleater zerg is simply not good anymore, you might be able to get 5k tho. I don't know how it works resistance-wise but it is probably like elemental damage, the more repetitive attacks in a row the lower the damage becomes until it is doing less than 30 per swing. There were old SS depicting this, look for them if you are interested. Imo 1 KC drk, the best you have would be fairly useful, but other than that it will not get you much, and btw SE will get the damage cut too.

[Michelob]

That is true, but what is locking some will weaken Meteor, and locking them all will just bring it right back to normal?

I severely doubt this is the case. Only a few have even claimed (and haven't proven) to have locked all 15 two hours. The ones that didn't lock them all still got nailed with insanely powerful meteors. What would your cut off be then, you can only lock half of them in order to weaken meteor? Seems far too cryptic to be feasible.

[Dawin]

Imo 1 KC drk, the best you have would be fairly useful,

Yes, 1-2 is what I've been suggesting. Even just 5k damage should be a huge help in getting it past 40% for the first time.

[Michelob]

Yes, 1-2 is what I've been suggesting. Even just 5k damage should be a huge help in getting it past 40% for the first time.

One is certainly enough. A single KC DRK with reach the Soul Eater damage cap for AV very fast.

Edit: One thing that hasn't been tested, however, is whether or not that damage cap for SE goes away after a certain amount of time has elapsed.

[Hogie]

I severely doubt this is the case. Only a few have even claimed (and haven't proven) to have locked all 15 two hours. The ones that didn't lock them all still got nailed with insanely powerful meteors. What would your cut off be then, you can only lock half of them in order to weaken meteor? Seems far too cryptic to be feasible.

Yeah i know what you mean, it is far fetched, but seeing SE not locking all 2h's just makes me wonder how they are able to kill it with 1) not locking them all and 2) not getting raped to all hell by meteor.

I can only assume SE cheated in that video. I think we need someone to interview SE again about AV.....

[Hanyoko]

To bring back some old info here. CoP dynamis zones are rather confirmed now to be SE's sandbox for development of AV.

Dynamis - Buburimu : Apocalyptic Beast : seems to be a best fit for using the whole "does 2hrs unless you lock them"
This does lead to the suspicion that aspects of the other two bosses made it in somehow. Antaeus from Dynamis - Qufim has various parameters that are altered by actions (damage cap, attack boost, magic damage taken) as well as Cirrate Christelle from Dynamis - Valkurm uses certain moves less frequently/less potent.

So what is left on AV to try?

15/15 2hr lock could be the key, but there could be other factors we are not considering.
Might using of other abilities somhow lock/weaken it? somewhat unlikely

In the past SE made mention of the "monsters surrounding AV" which we always took as the aerns in the spawn area were somehow related to 2hrs. Which is very confirmed to not effect his 2hrs.

I'm reminded of Splitting Heirs. Where the main NM is stonger by just having his helpers alive.

In recap : After the 2hrs are disabled, lets revisit the "kill those aerns" and see how AV's behavior is.

[Nightfyre]

If anything that could be a reference to his Wynav. Has anyone ever tried to simply hold them throughout the battle in addition to locking 2hrs?

[Gergall]

In the past SE made mention of the "monsters surrounding AV" which we always took as the aerns in the spawn area were somehow related to 2hrs. Which is very confirmed to not effect his 2hrs.

They might have just been referring to the fact that killing JoL pets lowers AV's regen.

[Yinnyth]

In the past SE made mention of the "monsters surrounding AV" which we always took as the aerns in the spawn area were somehow related to 2hrs. Which is very confirmed to not effect his 2hrs.

Earlier in this thread:

Originally Posted by Markus
Markus wrote: Hi, Staova reporting in from the Fan Fest, and frankly I did not want let another chance pass that could lead to some answers about Absolute Virtue. I snagged one of the Black Shirt Mercenary’s (official staff) for a little Q and A

Q: So, simply put, how do you keep Absolute Virtue from using his two hours?
A: His two hours are directly tied to the number of monsters remaining.

Q: Do you mean the other Jailers? Do they need to be popped and killed during the Absolute Virtue Fight?
A: No *laughs* common monsters, ‘aren for example

Q: What about spell effects like Meteor and Comet?
A: You can’t do a thing about that, if your skilled you might be able to avoid* it, but it will be extremely hard.

(at that point the is called away)

So .. I am floored, can it really be as simple as killing Aren (and other monsters) with matching jobs to lock AV’s to hours? Was this BS? Has anyone tried this yet? Feedback Please!

-Staova


Edit: * Stun changed to Avoid. My english isn't the best in the world. Sorry

And then a few posts later:

Also, maybe I should mention, but the guy who originally posted that was lieing. He lied because that was his theory and he wanted people to believe it. It's now even more clearly a lie because what the "black shirted mercenary" said about locking two hours is simply not true.

[tom]

VS how about not locking Manafont.Maybe AV's bracelets Meteor wont be as potent.
Worth a try i think.

[Siniroth]

While I'm not against trying new things, how would that make any sense at all?

Edit: and no 'SE's retarded so sense doesn't count' bullshit, even with SE's retardedness, I don't see how this could at all work, or solve the issue of meteor being a killer

[Kaylia]

Isn't there a monster that can be interupted when hate shift during meteor casting? I guess people would have noticed already if it was the case on AV thought, hate shift must have happened more than once during meteor.


[edit]
Nvm, I was thinking of Golden Tongued Culberry

[Siniroth]

Also, I think Meteor casts far too quickly for that to work on AV but good thought nonetheless

[Virtuous Saint]

VS how about not locking Manafont.Maybe AV's bracelets Meteor wont be as potent.
Worth a try i think.

If you leave Manafont unlocked you won't be making it to Bracelets unless you have a stream of CORs wild carding the PLDs fealty back, and running people out every single time it uses it, and even with fealty PLDs can die pretty easily during it as Comet is not resisted. Despite the fact that Comet can be absorbed by shadows. This is another thing I wouldn't try because it makes absolutely no sense to me, sorry lol>.<.

[mcb]

Souleater zerg is simply not good anymore, you might be able to get 5k tho. I don't know how it works resistance-wise but it is probably like elemental damage, the more repetitive attacks in a row the lower the damage becomes until it is doing less than 30 per swing. There were old SS depicting this, look for them if you are interested. Imo 1 KC drk, the best you have would be fairly useful, but other than that it will not get you much, and btw SE will get the damage cut too.

imo don't bother with the KC. use a real weapon for your dmg and augment the dmg with SE.

[Michelob]

That can debunk or cofirm one theory once its reached 39%...
Confirm that meteor gets weaker which means you have to fight through it from 59%-39%
OR
Confirm that Meteor gets even more stronger so there has to be a way to lock it somehow.

Bracelets stay out once it hits 59% and never come off, no matter what. As far as we know (from the numerous kills using zergs or glitches etc.) there are no behavior changes that accompany 39%, nor 19% for that matter.

That aside, your strat will work but we already said that. If you have access to 50-60 people, you can zerg this down (rotate zerg parties/alliances). Most linkshells don't.

[Snprphnx]

has any shell attempted to do a full recovery and refight after they wipe to AV in bracelets? Perhaps he is like Sarameya, in that he gains access to something at a set HP, and once used for a set duration, he cant repeat it. (may suck if thats true, cuz may be able to reuse at 29%, 19%, and 9%

[Virtuous Saint]

has any shell attempted to do a full recovery and refight after they wipe to AV in bracelets? Perhaps he is like Sarameya, in that he gains access to something at a set HP, and once used for a set duration, he cant repeat it. (may suck if thats true, cuz may be able to reuse at 29%, 19%, and 9%

Um once AV has entered the phase he doesn't lose those traits ever, unless there is a way to lock them. I'm not sure how many times I'll have to post this.

[Mojo]

There could be (and probably are) AI changes at those points, but I can't imagine them making the fight any easier.

[Virtuous Saint]

I know Bracelets stays out, but its very hard to say if he has any changes in 39% and 19% because all of the kills were zerg attempts from AV.
It is possible that he can break tradition and start doing his 2 hours again in combinations again at 39% and repeating the same 2 over and over if he has 2 of them left. Its possible at 19% he can only be damaged by Skillchain, angon, magic burst, and TA weaponskills. We don't know how mucher gayer AV will get at lower percentages. Souleater back then, would rip through these possibilities, but that is thrown out the window now.

Virtuous Saint always seems to mention how impossible AV's offensive meteors get but we are also forgetting the fact that even if he didn't have access to meteor during bracelets mode, can he still be killed in the alotted time with that many magic resists which were shown in the video...

Would be cool as shit if a THF could aura steal his bracelets and lay waste to his ass lol. SE sucks for not putting that feature in

First of all Souleater would have been affected by those. Secondly yes AV could be killed in 2hrs easily if it didn't have access to Meteor.