Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Staleyx]

Been following this thread from the start. About to pull the remaining hair out of my head. WHEN WILL THIS END. Apathy / Virtuous saint Good luck Tomorrow on your attempt. I watched the video you posted, nothing against your linkshell but I think its fucked up you need 3 aegis pld to even survive up to the point where he depopped. There just has to be some extra secret to weaken him. Im really leaning towards its something with the 3 aerns at JOLs popsite. Or Se just made this thing invincible just to keep us playing. Again goodluck apathy and the linkshell that will be helping you.

Staley

[Hanyoko]

AV job is "Mary Sue"

[Siniroth]

Until 79%, he cannot use Meteor or Comet outside of Manafont. At 79%, he will use Meteor and subsequent to that he can use a weaker version of it at will, as well as Comet. At 59% he switches to red bracelet mode, at which point he can use Manafont strength Meteor and Comet at will, which is the present stopping block no one can figure out how to overcome.

That's what he's saying, I'm not sure how much merit there is in the idea, but he's suggesting that even with the locked manafont, it's an auto-manafont of sorts that needs to be relocked

[Virtuous Saint]

That's what he's saying, I'm not sure how much merit there is in the idea, but he's suggesting that even with the locked manafont, it's an auto-manafont of sorts that needs to be relocked

It isn't an auto-manafont, it is simply at 79% AV gets Meteor Comet and Explosive Impulse on its spells/abilities lists which previously needed 2hrs to be able to cast. All of this is in the OP, why don't people read it, only thing I wanted people to read in this thread lol.

[Virtuous Saint]

hey VS...quick question since it seems youve done a lot of testing. killing JoLs summons we all know helps break AVs regen. however do you know to what extent. our ls typical sits there at 10% on JoL waiting for the frikken sharks to come out and usually wastes about 20 mins. now...say we didnt wait for sharks only. i know this would mean AVs regen would be "stronger" but would it last any longer in duration or be harder to break i guess would be a better way of putting it. or does "stronger" regen simply mean he gets more hp back per tick but its just as easy to break? my idea is we say f it with waiting for sharks to save time since we dont usually deal dmg to AV while were locking 2 hours anyways (we have a couple blms casting ele of day to break regen while we lock 2 hours). think itd save any time? thx

Obviously no one knows how many sets it takes to fully lock that portion of AV's regen, that is basically impossible to know, but just based on eyeballing how fast AV ticks after doing 18sets (18sets appears to be how many it takes to fully lock JoL's regen, waited 5min+ for tick that never occurred), compared to 10sets it seemed to be less. It is really hard to tell tho, we may have just nuked more element of day that time. If I had to guess tho, it takes at least 10sets to fully lock that portion of AV's regen, but again this is just an inference.

[Valkrish]

Need to activate claustrum first

[Virtuous Saint]

umm in the link VS posted it says AV cant use Meteor/Comet unless he uses Manafont
maybe in bracelet mode he auto manafont and you must lock it again ?

and are AV pets useless ? cuz i checked wiki it says they are 250hp , i dont know why they are that low but im guessing they arent there for nothing..
AV uses all 2hrs and is know to use/rape with BLM spells but actually SE made him a DRG, because only DRGs can call Aerns in Sea, SE wanted the aerns to be there for something and maybe the final trick is there...

aaaah screw SE...

That link I posted was only to show people interview quotes from SE, not to give you information about AV. AV information is in the OP of this thread, older threads do not have highly accurate information, and mostly false information.

[Changz]

Sometimes, I wonder what meteor must feel like IRL... could it feel as painful as reading the last few pages of this thread? There is nothing worse than watching a promising AV thread degrade in to something that nobody cares to follow any longer.

Someone made mention to the idea splitting the thread. Perhaps a thread for facts with documentation per fact, maybe a thread for speculation/theory. An interview thread. Really what is needed is a seperate AV forum section. The OP intent was to put information out there in hopes of keeping the ball rolling. If we really want to keep the ball rolling, a proper forum section for documentation seems necessary.

If BG is unwilling to dedicate that resource, I'd be happy to contribute by making a forum section on my linkshell forum specifically for AV information/theory/testing/cross server communication. I've easily got the extra bandwidth. As it goes, this thread is within a day or 2 of being locked and being yet another lost AV thread. Let's not go the same old direction this time.

[Hogie]

MB ES silence?

Honestly? Really!?! WOW NO ONE EVER THOUGHT OF THAT YET THAT MUST BE THE KEY TO WINNING!

[Hogie]

Sometimes, I wonder what meteor must feel like IRL... could it feel as painful as reading the last few pages of this thread? There is nothing worse than watching a promising AV thread degrade in to something that nobody cares to follow any longer.

Someone made mention to the idea splitting the thread. Perhaps a thread for facts with documentation per fact, maybe a thread for speculation/theory. An interview thread. Really what is needed is a seperate AV forum section. The OP intent was to put information out there in hopes of keeping the ball rolling. If we really want to keep the ball rolling, a proper forum section for documentation seems necessary.

If BG is unwilling to dedicate that resource, I'd be happy to contribute by making a forum section on my linkshell forum specifically for AV information/theory/testing/cross server communication. I've easily got the extra bandwidth. As it goes, this thread is within a day or 2 of being locked and being yet another lost AV thread. Let's not go the same old direction this time.

I would love to see this honestly Or straight out rules of posting in any AV topic. As a example, if your decide to post only "Have you tried to ES Silence it?" Then you get fucked banned!

[Max™]

That's what he's saying, I'm not sure how much merit there is in the idea, but he's suggesting that even with the locked manafont, it's an auto-manafont of sorts that needs to be relocked

Holy shit, so the problem is that he is able to cast Meteor all the time even after Manafont is locked?

Well fuck, let me go check and see how we lock Meteor and I'll brb with some sashes guiz.

[Ophannus]

Maybe if BST had a Colibri jug pet it could 'magic counter' meteor and recast it on AV 3seconds after it casts it and thus lock it ^^

[donnie]

man I wish I can delete the reply I did last page. If you want to post a theory, you have to READ the info on first page, the interviews and really think about an interesting one and back it up with reasoning. All you are doing now is filling this thread with crap.

anyways, something caught my eyes with one of the interview when they mentioned " if the players are skilled enough they can avoid metoer" and the fact you can not lock it. Which means perhaps we have to change our mindset on locking metoer to something that we have to do -->repeatedly<-- to avoid it.

having said that, the same guy interviewed seems to have no clue when he said "kill monsters around him like Aerns"

[Hogie]

Maybe if BST had a Colibri jug pet it could 'magic counter' meteor and recast it on AV 3seconds after it casts it and thus lock it ^^

Another great example of useless posts.....

Apathy is attempting AV tonight, so unless you have anything very useful to say that could help them, please refrain from opening your stupid mouth and cluttering up the post any more. This is the first real good post about AV in a long time and believe it or now, some people are actually trying hard to figure it out.

[TummieGaruda]

Maybe if BST had a Colibri jug pet it could 'magic counter' meteor and recast it on AV 3seconds after it casts it and thus lock it ^^

Even if that were possible, the colibri would have to survive it in order to mimic the spell back.

How fast is the cast time on Meteor btw? I remember reading about one second or so. The fact that it is a special element means it really doesn't have any type of element associated to it and from the various attempts that I have seen, it doesn't have multiple damage reduction that -aga's have. It just seems to be multi-target damage, and it seems to be unavoidable at the 79% state so I think that you have to re-lock it or possibly some type of way to keep his AI from using it.

[lilfoo]

Instead of posting some stupid idea of how to lock meteor lets look at a new approach on how to live through meteor. This upcoming idea DOSE require the use of lvl 1 mules zombie to soak up dmg. i am looking to do this w/ ~30 people +~6 alts. read the whole thing b4 you start to take it apart.

2hrs to lock: All but Astral Flow and Mighty Strikes
Kill Wyrns but 1 and have a lvl 1 mule Hymnus zombie it far far away from AV

Main PT:
Tank PT: RDM/WHM, PLD/NIN X2, RDM/NIN X3 (RDM/NIN can be plds. i don't give a fuck)
Melee PT: DD x4, BRD X2
BLM PT: Your personal likes. i don't give a fuck. all should be /nin

Outside:
Healers PT: WHM X5 BRD/COR (Ballad + WHM roll)
Meteor Suck up: BRD, lvl 1 mule X5 (god help the BRD)
Wyrn distraction: BRD lvl 1 mule

Fight progression:
Fight it at the RAMP TO PALACE!!! <-(KEY POINT)

Lock 2hrs like normal. You must lock Mijin now and not just wyrns.

Fight it down to 60% like normal. RDMs build hate at this phase but DO NOT tank. Just get close hate wise to the PLDS.

At 60% you STOP ALL DMG.

AV now becomes a solo tank only mob. all co-tanks go to the top of the ramp and chill w/ the mages. All 5 WHMs will look after a single tank.

Start DMG again w/ Melees running in when Mighty Strikes is active running out when it wears.

Co-tanks still generate hate but not more the the main.

Meteor! Fuck your tank is presumably dead. Well guess what. AV is gonna draw some one in. Guess who your Tank Replacement is? Yep, who ever got drawn in.

When you see AV do AF Buff your Melee's you know Mighty Strikes is on the way.

Key points to this strategy:
Meteor is not game over. It is new tank time.
It would take consecutive meteors to wipe you and all would have to be in rapid succession.
Locking HF will make it so a PLD can tank AV w/o a co-tank and AF allows it to use Mighty Strikes which would lock Meteor for 45 seconds.
This is probably not a winning strategy. But, it would probably allow people to get AV to new lows in HP and find out if it sucks more later.

[Staleyx]

Sounds like a good plan there, but do you rly thing 1 tank could survive beyond 59%, and bogie replace your tampon jesus christ what a little bitch.

[donnie]

another example of not reading the first post in this thread, but if anything you said plausible is fighting him over the ramp , yet the survivability % is low because he tends to use metoerx2 with short time span.
and if someone get hate from the top ramp, they will get hit by TP move if they have hate and probably metoer if its casted on a mage on top.

also he wont be using 2hrs over and over after 59%, it needs to be full combo or he wont do it , and needs at least 2x combo of 2x 2hr each to rotate between them.

[willriker]

Id lock two hours before moving it to the ramp. Id imagine AV to be difficult enough to pull to the ramp without its two hours... It has Draw in and flee speed. Also your tanks will be moving. Its harder to tank (read: not die) utsu style while moving... on an enemy that you cant get too far away from. Now add in AV still has its two hours... with them i dont see how your going to bring AV to the ramp

Hey, if want to save some time, while locking AV's 2 hours you can also ele nuke down his regen.

You can also do a couple tests at that time. Like try the SC > enfeeble idea. Sure, the test would be best done at 49% but hey.. its a data point. You get the idea.

[pchan]

Tanks survive bracelet meteor fine, the problem comes from people surrounding tanks.