Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Ramses]

One thing hasn't been done yet is locking all 15/15 2 hours AND locking his regen lol. You didn't fully nerf his regen if he used bracelets mode at 61%.

Also when sundi said you can avoid it if you are skilled...
Does he mean, you can use fealty and the rest of the people run away.
Does he mean you can avoid bracelets mode if you are skilled.
Its hard to tell but rewards should go to skill players and I think they should have given the option to fight it with bracelets mode for ppl not skilled enough to lock all 2 hours or to reward the people who locked all 15 2 hours and used every original/zilart job in the game by having him not be able to use bracelets mode.

Either way, I killed some Aerns and the stupid goldfish by the water after we beat our JOL and didn't seem to do anything to AV.

Fealty wasn't in the game when AV was added.

[Yinnyth]

Quick question because i want to be a part of the awesome shitty theorycraft since i give up. But what is the lowest anyone has taken AV without locking a majority of 2hr's? For example has anyone ever taken it to bracelets mode while only locking maybe chainspell/manafont/SV?

I'm wondering the same thing myself, and I think I might try to get my group to attempt a minimal lock on AV. Normal aern bracelets can't be maintained forever. Personally I don't think the trick is in stopping bracelets from ever happening any more than I think it's possible to stop AV from ever using manafont in the battle.

I'd like to lock manafont, chainspell, soul voice, benediction, hundred fists, and call wyvern (but leave one wynav alive at 10% HP being kited). Might skip hundred fists depending on our setup, but I feel the others would be unstoppable failure in bracelets mode. Assuming we live long enough, AV's bracelets might break after he uses a number of SP combos. If that's not possible, maybe we'll at least learn some SP combos he uses that distract him for a little while so we risk fewer meteors.

Granted, even if the idea works, I believe the bracelets can come back at an even lower HP, but one step at a time.

VS, are there any SP combos you know about AV using that aren't listed on the OP?

[Virtuous Saint]

VS, are there any SP combos you know about AV using that aren't listed on the OP?

No, but some others can be found in SSs from long ago at the wall etc., I'm sure.

[Virtuous Saint]

Btw if anyone has a mule/account I can log on to help you fight AV, I'll do it anytime. Only real reason I play right now is to fight AV, and unfortunately Apathy has some inactive members currently, so we can't really fight much right now.

[tristainpld]

just observing fromt he previous page's tank survivability issues, instead of depending on shield procs, a straint -physical dmg approach might be more beneficial because you wont get the "non-procs" where you take retarded amounts of dmg.

-dmg is a static amount whereas shielding is still based on chance.

Jus throwing that out there.

you rely on keeping shadows up and tossing hate with the other aegis plds in your party. if youre relying on shield procs youre pretty much dead lol (youre gonna take a aeroV or tornado II to the face). the toss up is whether to have a haste/fast cast set on to reapply shadows faster or the main problem everyone is having is surviving bracelet meteor in which mdt-, mdb+, hp+ sets are being worn. meteor being instant you dont really have time to switch to one or the other.

im not exactly sure what gear swaps youre referring to so i cant comment on them but generally a dmg- set would go against the things you need in order to survive...say a v head or body would be a great swap for sure if you just got aerogad and wont be able to put up shadows for awhile but i dont know that id wear that full time in this fight.

we have 1 person on our server that has defending ring v head v body burtgang and aegis (luckily hes in our ls ^^) in that case maybe you roll with -phys. but the point is its not usually the phys dmg that kills you. its the one cheap shot after you get meteor or aeroga'd. in that case the faster you have ni readied can be the difference between life or death.

[Konda]

you rely on keeping shadows up and tossing hate with the other aegis plds in your party. if youre relying on shield procs youre pretty much dead lol (youre gonna take a aeroV or tornado II to the face). the toss up is whether to have a haste/fast cast set on to reapply shadows faster or the main problem everyone is having is surviving bracelet meteor in which mdt-, mdb+, hp+ sets are being worn. meteor being instant you dont really have time to switch to one or the other.

im not exactly sure what gear swaps youre referring to so i cant comment on them but generally a dmg- set would go against the things you need in order to survive...say a v head or body would be a great swap for sure if you just got aerogad and wont be able to put up shadows for awhile but i dont know that id wear that full time in this fight.

we have 1 person on our server that has defending ring v head v body burtgang and aegis (luckily hes in our ls ^^) in that case maybe you roll with -phys. but the point is its not usually the phys dmg that kills you. its the one cheap shot after you get meteor or aeroga'd. in that case the faster you have ni readied can be the difference between life or death.

PLD that I normally play with generally toss on shield equips when without shadows.

things like V.helm over koing, shadow mantle over boxers etc was what I was referring to.

[cosworthrs]

has anyone figured out what triggers and depops bracelets on normal aerns? or has held a braceleted aern asleep during..... please blast me if this was already brought up and the information is just escaping me

[Sirrus_Asura]

has anyone figured out what triggers and depops bracelets on normal aerns? or has held a braceleted aern asleep during..... please blast me if this was already brought up and the information is just escaping me

Just time as far as I know.

[Yugl]

has anyone figured out what triggers and depops bracelets on normal aerns? or has held a braceleted aern asleep during..... please blast me if this was already brought up and the information is just escaping me

I think it's time since I've had them put the bracelets on while slept.

[Siniroth]

Yeah it's definitely just time on normal Aerns

[Kidnoftle]

Oh I want to try another WAR zerg, but 2 alliances of zergers. Starting at 60% with all 2hrs locked except MS and PD, and regen locked. Only problem is players and ambition, so I need you, and whoever else you know that could bring something to the fight. I don't care how much knowledge people have of AV either, as long as they can follow instructions.

My shell will always help.

[Vyvian]

I didn't see it in the OP, so I figured I'd ask..

In the video they make a specific point of showing you to baraera, and from the couple times I've been there and we wiped to AV, it seemed to make tanks take half damage from his air nukes. Is there an exact amount or is his elemental accuracy really bad and the barspell just gives you a high resist?

Would a Wind Carol reduce the damage further?

[Ermac]

two things...

-did Tomahawk land and work?

-do you have a log of your fight with AV using Meteor all the though until wipe?

Meteor seems to be timed based @ 79%

He can start with Meteor or wait 4 min then Meteor / @ the 4 min...every 30 sec interval until 5 min he will comet or meteor from what I see.

The times slightly differ due to some keeping 2 hours up. More test/study needed for this. I think this is something to highly look into. This could lead to a safer zerg/DD window for melee mages.

[Virtuous Saint]

I didn't see it in the OP, so I figured I'd ask..

In the video they make a specific point of showing you to baraera, and from the couple times I've been there and we wiped to AV, it seemed to make tanks take half damage from his air nukes. Is there an exact amount or is his elemental accuracy really bad and the barspell just gives you a high resist?

Would a Wind Carol reduce the damage further?

Our WHM always keeps baraera and the resists aren't too frequent so I wouldn't say it is unusually low macc, but I wouldn't say it has extremely high macc either, idk. One thing you can be sure of, baraera will only increase the chance of resist, it will never lower the damage of every nuke (aside from the great additions of barspell merits and WHM JSE body which physically give MDB boost to corresponding barspell).

[Virtuous Saint]

two things...

-did Tomahawk land and work?

-do you have a log of your fight with AV using Meteor all the though until wipe?

Meteor seems to be timed based @ 79%

He can start with Meteor or wait 4 min then Meteor / @ the 4 min...every 30 sec interval until 5 min he will comet or meteor from what I see.

The times slightly differ due to some keeping 2 hours up. More test/study needed for this. I think this is something to highly look into. This could lead to a safer zerg/DD window for melee mages.

If you're talking about apathy videos, no I don't have logs.

[pchan]

Our WHM always keeps baraera and the resists aren't too frequent so I wouldn't say it is unusually low macc, but I wouldn't say it has extremely high macc either, idk. One thing you can be sure of, baraera will only increase the chance of resist, it will never lower the damage of every nuke (aside from the great additions of barspell merits and WHM JSE body which physically give MDB boost to corresponding barspell).

afllatus solace adds mdb to barspells

[Virtuous Saint]

afllatus solace adds mdb to barspells

Ya forgot about that.

[chiyio]

afllatus solace adds mdb to barspells

However I'm pretty certain the video was released before Affilatus's were added.

[thetruepandagod]

100% sure it was at 61% since i was the only unweak blm at the time and i did an ES freeze2 to drop it to that %. He was incredible meteor spam happy, he did 6 of them during manafont and continued to use meteor at least to the point where people couldnt cure themselves fast enough even though some of us were taking 235 damage from the weakened meteors.

Locked every 2hr easily except invincible and EES were missed the first time around and locked the 2nd time, unless not locking it the first time around has a bearing on anything then i am 100% sure all 15 were locked.

[Virtuous Saint]

100% sure it was at 61% since i was the only unweak blm at the time and i did an ES freeze2 to drop it to that %. He was incredible meteor spam happy, he did 6 of them during manafont and continued to use meteor at least to the point where people couldnt cure themselves fast enough even though some of us were taking 235 damage from the weakened meteors.

Locked every 2hr easily except invincible and EES were missed the first time around and locked the 2nd time, unless not locking it the first time around has a bearing on anything then i am 100% sure all 15 were locked.

Ya but the last 2hr is all that counts since whether you lock it or not, it will not be used again.