Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[pchan]

Nobody believed the 15/15 theory anyway, so the only benefit from locking a 2-hour is not to have to deal with it again, which probably means that you can lock/weaken meteor before manafont occurs.

[Rocl]

I heard something that AV's attack drops as it's HP drops? That it starts off with low DEF and high ATK and they switch the lower % it gets? I don't think this is true, but someone said they read it in this thread, and I don't see it anywhere, just making sure I'm not overlooking something as it's not in the OP. Apparently this "drop" happens w/ M.ATK too which makes me think someone is sorely mistaken because a weaker meteor would've been noticed :<

[parasoldude]

Just a thought with regards to the meteor problem.

If it is agreed now that it is dark based magic, would that not suggest that spamming dark magic is a way of curtailing its damage.

This mob is very weird, i.e. with the element of the day cutting regen.

From looking at the development videos, they show in most of the shots (especially the first one) that dark magic should be spammed on JOL.

Have read all 32 pages, and quit FFXI last year, just want to see this story come to an end and the right strategy is found!

Good luck guys!

[thetruepandagod]

Ya but the last 2hr is all that counts since whether you lock it or not, it will not be used again.

100% sure that the last 2hr was locked it was matched within 1 second according to timestamp

[thetruepandagod]

Just a thought with regards to the meteor problem.

If it is agreed now that it is dark based magic, would that not suggest that spamming dark magic is a way of curtailing its damage.

This mob is very weird, i.e. with the element of the day cutting regen.

From looking at the development videos, they show in most of the shots (especially the first one) that dark magic should be spammed on JOL.

Have read all 32 pages, and quit FFXI last year, just want to see this story come to an end and the right strategy is found!

Good luck guys!

We fought it on darksdays which means we did what you said if im reading you right, and it didn't do shit hell it might have made it worse since it was the most meteor spammy AV we have fought to date.

[parasoldude]

We fought it on darksdays which means we did what you said if im reading you right, and it didn't do shit hell it might have made it worse since it was the most meteor spammy AV we have fought to date.

Okies bud, good luck anyway!

[Virtuous Saint]

I heard something that AV's attack drops as it's HP drops? That it starts off with low DEF and high ATK and they switch the lower % it gets? I don't think this is true, but someone said they read it in this thread, and I don't see it anywhere, just making sure I'm not overlooking something as it's not in the OP. Apparently this "drop" happens w/ M.ATK too which makes me think someone is sorely mistaken because a weaker meteor would've been noticed :<

False, it increases drastically when it pulls out bracelets, both MAB and ATK. Hits for 700+, hits tanks for 500+.

[Rocl]

False, it increases drastically when it pulls out bracelets, both MAB and ATK. Hits for 700+, hits tanks for 500+.

That's what I thought. Thanks!

[Ermac]

VS anybody try to land a 75 BP, during bracelet mode?

[Massimo]

Are you serious? Htf they survive meteor without fealty or aegis on bracelets mode lol.
However, Dark carol was..... VS have you ever used Soul voice Dark carol and what was the meteor damage after it? Still in the 1000's?
They didn't have any duration increasers back then either... thats very strange and interesting, I always thought SE had fealty at the very least to combat AV's meteor.

Fealty was in the game when SE gave us the video..

I'm honestly starting to think that SE just sat all JAs to 0 recast, spammed 2 hours when AV did and PLDs kept Fealty up fulltime. <_<

[Ramses]

Fealty was in the game when SE gave us the video..

I'm honestly starting to think that SE just sat all JAs to 0 recast, spammed 2 hours when AV did and PLDs kept Fealty up fulltime. <_<

AV also does not cast meteor once in the video. Fealty was NOT in the game when AV was added into the game, therefore SE originally expected us to fight AV without it.

[Thunder]

AV also does not cast meteor once in the video. Fealty was NOT in the game when AV was added into the game, therefore SE originally expected us to fight AV without it.

Who's to say that, after the many AV changes, SE's expectations of how it's supposed to be beat has not changed?

[Ramses]

Who's to say that, after the many AV changes, SE's expectations of how it's supposed to be beat has not changed?

You mean all the changes they made because we were NOT fighting it the way they originally intended? It is quite obvious the one thing that hasn't changed is their expectation of how we are supposed to beat it.

[Thunder]

You mean all the changes they made because we were NOT fighting it the way they originally intended? It is quite obvious the one thing that hasn't changed is their expectation of how we are supposed to beat it.

But they said it takes 18 hours to win originally, now they put a 2hr limit on beating AV. Someone said SE's stated that all you need to win in still in the video, though. Just throwing it out there that expectations should/probably/mayaps/imo have changed when the fight's expected duration dropped 16 hours.

Edit: I know that I'm not accurate when I say 18 hours, but I'm pretty sure SE's said in an interview BEFORE the 18hour PW that AV is supposed to take some hugenumberofhours to beat.

[Dulek]

Fealty was in the game when SE gave us the video..

I'm honestly starting to think that SE just sat all JAs to 0 recast, spammed 2 hours when AV did and PLDs kept Fealty up fulltime. <_<

July. 25, 2006 (JST) Update Details

Wasn't until July 2006, when group 2 merits was introduce. Assuming, at the very earliest, AV was introduced February 2005 or next patch after that one.

Feb. 24, 2005 Version Update

[Suiram]

Sea NMs were added in the July 2005 patch.

[Massimo]

AV also does not cast meteor once in the video. Fealty was NOT in the game when AV was added into the game, therefore SE originally expected us to fight AV without it.

Bullshit. SE's casting Shellra and Protectra V in the video, they're using group 2 merits.

Edit: Also, you're saying that AV didn't cast meteor once in the video - so what? We don't exactly see much of the fight, and AV never uses Manafont.
There's 30 seconds of bracelet mode where he could have been able to cast Meteor, but didn't. You can't prove that he's even past 79% in the other parts we see.

July. 25, 2006 (JST) Update Details

Wasn't until July 2006, when group 2 merits was introduce. Assuming, at the very earliest, AV was introduced February 2005 or next patch after that one.

Feb. 24, 2005 Version Update

Which is why I said "when they gave us the video".

[Virtuous Saint]

Are you serious? Htf they survive meteor without fealty or aegis on bracelets mode lol.
However, Dark carol was..... VS have you ever used Soul voice Dark carol and what was the meteor damage after it? Still in the 1000's?
They didn't have any duration increasers back then either... thats very strange and interesting, I always thought SE had fealty at the very least to combat AV's meteor.

Dark Carol would only increase the CHANCE at a resist lol, and very slightly. You need at least 250+ imo to resist reliably, and that is nearly impossible for everyone, and even if they COULD get that they would have to idle in that gear for every single action, and still HOPE they get either a 1/4 or 1/8 resist or they die. Btw with all of this considered, they still need to keep buffs up etc., and you still have to cure everyone back up after one goes off, and rebuff not just the tanks...............

[Ophannus]

Needs moar Spiritual Incense/Fool's Drink

[bechyni]

Anyone wanna go camp outside SE's office building with picket signs until they release us a better video with me?