Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[TheMysteriousX]

I'm sure this has been noticed before, but people seem to be going round in circles, so ima post it anyway and hope people notice it.

Assuming that SE made the video legitimately (no hax, all in 1 session), then they did not lock all 2 hours. At the very end of the video, he uses a 2 hour ability just before dying.

Again, assuming that the SE video is legit (I tend to believe it is), then locking all 15 is not needed, or the "trick" to beating him.

AV used to be an 18 hour battle. Is it outside the realms of possibility that this is because SE's strategy included holding him until all the nasty 2 hours had been locked? They seem to be using the "spam 2 hours randomly and 1 will stick" method, which would take hours to achieve if they got unlucky (also lines up with the hints Sundi gave, and the inconsistent days on the video, if they were waiting for 2 hours to cool manually).

I seem to recall that someone was questioning if he took off bracelets after 39% a few pages back - the video shows him with bracelets on when he dies.

AV doesn't use meteor in the video, because they never show him in meteor rape mode.

A question of my own now: is meteor damage *inversely* proportional to 2 hours locked?

[Starr]

How does AV go from 100k(?) HP and taking "18 hours", quote SE, to having 65k HP and being possible in a 2 hour time limit when his defensive stats increased? That is what I never understood.

[Virtuous Saint]

I'm sure this has been noticed before, but people seem to be going round in circles, so ima post it anyway and hope people notice it.

Assuming that SE made the video legitimately (no hax, all in 1 session), then they did not lock all 2 hours. At the very end of the video, he uses a 2 hour ability just before dying.

Again, assuming that the SE video is legit (I tend to believe it is), then locking all 15 is not needed, or the "trick" to beating him.

AV used to be an 18 hour battle. Is it outside the realms of possibility that this is because SE's strategy included holding him until all the nasty 2 hours had been locked? They seem to be using the "spam 2 hours randomly and 1 will stick" method, which would take hours to achieve if they got unlucky (also lines up with the hints Sundi gave, and the inconsistent days on the video, if they were waiting for 2 hours to cool manually).

I seem to recall that someone was questioning if he took off bracelets after 39% a few pages back - the video shows him with bracelets on when he dies.

AV doesn't use meteor in the video, because they never show him in meteor rape mode.

A question of my own now: is meteor damage *inversely* proportional to 2 hours locked?

While all of that is true, they changed AV from a projected 18hr fight, to a less than 2hr (JoL included in the timer) maximum. If all they did was change the HP, they need to take mental exams because that is god damn retarded. That said, they could have easily changed a million things about AV we would never know about, for example whether or not all 2hrs locked weakens Meteor. Based on the SE video there are at least 4 2hrs still on AV (once in bracelets it has to use combo, and it has to have at least 2 combos up in order to continue rotating), but that doesn't mean it works the same now.

Don't know exactly if Meteor is affected by number of 2hrs locked, but I'm like 99% sure it isn't (at least not non-bracelets). I have a video of us WAR zerging AV to 55%ish having locked no 2hrs, or regen, and it used a Meteor which dealt damage I would expect from non-bracelets/non-manafont Meteor (while we got it to 55%, it used CS at around 65% or something which makes it incapable of pulling out bracelets until it is off, having not locked regen, it was able to get above 59% before it could pull out bracelets).

[TheMysteriousX]

Hmm. Any ls feeling brave enough to only lock Call wyvern, Manafont, Chainspell and Benediction before taking it into bracelets mode?

[Cog]

The next 2hr is MS no matter what as AV cannot use the same 2hr back to back. Once the zerg alliance has buffs the alliance holding AV gets AV to become unclaimed so the zerg alliance can attack it, once they see the next dust cloud they go all-out until they all die. During MS, AV will not cast or WS, and it cannot bring bracelets out until MS wears off, so no one will be stunned, and no one can die as hate will be bounced all over the place.

did u mean hundred fists?

We cannot give you any other tips besides if you kill the monsters around him, it will slow the regen ability.

Do you believe it is possible to beat him?

We haven't made it so that it's impossible. We still believe ::crosses fingers:: we still believe that there is a possibility that people will be able to defeat him. People just haven't found the right strategy. At the next Fan Festival we'll have the dev team defeat Absolute Virtue (not a good idea)... maybe some videos... no....

this was before the 2hr time limit and HP reduction... old AV is different from new AV

also, between "killing the aerns" and "MB>SC element of the day to lock meteor" there is nothing else in the video at all...

and the best way to avoid meteor: don't fight AV !

[Virtuous Saint]

did u mean hundred fists?

No, once it pulls out bracelets it will not 2hr again, there is no worry at all.

[Yugl]

How good is PUP DMG on him? Would it be possible to play ping-pong with him once he reaches bracelets mode by standing on the ramps and bouncing hate back and forth through nukes, deactivation, and good distancing? Seems like that's your only hope.

[Konda]

How good is PUP DMG on him? Would it be possible to play ping-pong with him once he reaches bracelets mode by standing on the ramps and bouncing hate back and forth through nukes, deactivation, and good distancing? Seems like that's your only hope.

inb4 100k N.sash in bazaars across the land

[pchan]

How good is PUP DMG on him? Would it be possible to play ping-pong with him once he reaches bracelets mode by standing on the ramps and bouncing hate back and forth through nukes, deactivation, and good distancing? Seems like that's your only hope.

60% af 66k is about 40000 damage, if you consider puppet's magic accuracy they will average 200 per nuke probably after bracelet and they can do it once a minute since you deactivate. Let's assume you have 1 hour left once it reaches bracelet, that's 60 nukes per pup or 12000 damage per PUP. Of course in practice you don't always nuke once per minute, and the puppet can get hit in which case you have to warp to tavnazia and come back, so let's cut the damage by 2. You are looking at 6k damage per pup over one hour. You'd need at least 10 level 75 pup.

[Konda]

woosh

[Cairthenn]

woosh

I believe we could say the same to you.

[urat]

Well as far as we've seen, we've solved everything the AV videos have given us, in fact, looking at it now, I have to say SE was pretty lampshade about everything they gave us.

The first three shots are them fighting the sharks themselves, and 2/3 of them end as the shark dies, screaming "kill these sharks yo"

This is followed by them nuking AV, and zooms in on the clock very specifically, and you can watch the day change and they change their nukes on the dot, pretty obvious what SE was saying here as well.

Finally you see AV 2 houring and along with him is like 4-5 people 2 houring as well, even whms popping benediction when no one is even in the red. Once again looking back on it...duh

The next shot, hey wtf av is dead? Well wtf, SE simply skims over meteor, leaving us completely in the dark about it.

So either theres something somewhere we missed, or SE really underestimates the strength of this spell. Who knows maybe they fucked up and accidently boosted the hell out of meteor last AV patch and dont even know how impossible it was.

[Cog]

let me just say, i want to see AV decoded and getting killed as much as anyone...

but SE does not, they only want us to keep playing their game...

their video, now 2 years old, clearly shows that the characters they were playing with had been adjusted to instantly recharge Job Abilities, especially 2-hour cooldown (lv1) JA's. their AV fight was shorter than 3 hours, and they never had to deal with meteor, apparantly.

its pretty clear they want us to fight AV, but not win. while this isnt logical from a player's p.o.v., from a game developer it probably seems funny...

[urat]

They did not edit their chars or cheat, well they used program to notify them on AVs 2 hour, but they said ti took about 18 hours to beat AV.

The videos you see are out of order, and all different fights, one guy even changes his job. So one of two things happened.

Either they beat AV 4-5 times and recorded them all and gave us the best shots from each, or they held AV for 18 hours to lock all the 2 hours.

So if they so deliberately showed us how to deal with the portions of AVs 2 hours and his regen, but completely skimmed over his meteor, then I'm assuming there's no trick to it. Surviving meteor is simply a matter of armor, spells, and skill.

If there was some way to lock his meteor, or cut it down, or something, SE would've put that in their video as they even said, everything we need is in those videos, which means meteor is survivable, we just need to figure out how.

[Cog]

They did not edit their chars or cheat, well they used program to notify them on AVs 2 hour, but they said ti took about 18 hours to beat AV.

The videos you see are out of order, and all different fights, one guy even changes his job. So one of two things happened.

Either they beat AV 4-5 times and recorded them all and gave us the best shots from each, or they held AV for 18 hours to lock all the 2 hours.

So if they so deliberately showed us how to deal with the portions of AVs 2 hours and his regen, but completely skimmed over his meteor, then I'm assuming there's no trick to it. Surviving meteor is simply a matter of armor, spells, and skill.

If there was some way to lock his meteor, or cut it down, or something, SE would've put that in their video as they even said, everything we need is in those videos, which means meteor is survivable, we just need to figure out how.

no, no, no...
that is absolutely not true.
they cheated, and its a proven fact.

edit: their characters had been edited or they would not be able to use 2hr JA's like that, Period.
2x edit: i've said this before, but if the devs were using 2hrs with normal recast, because the video shows the battle taking place during ice/thunder days, if they were to wait 8 hours for another ice or thunder day while holding AV, the fight would have taken over 3 days earth time to use 2hrs that many times.

[urat]

Which means they didn't do all 4-5 fights in a row....

Edit: Which is actually kind of interesting, if they were doing it over multiple fights put together, why did the Dev team always fight on the same elemental days? Maybe we should aim for a specific elemental day to make the fight easier, I dunno?

[Virtuous Saint]

They did not edit their chars or cheat, well they used program to notify them on AVs 2 hour, but they said ti took about 18 hours to beat AV.

The videos you see are out of order, and all different fights, one guy even changes his job. So one of two things happened.

Either they beat AV 4-5 times and recorded them all and gave us the best shots from each, or they held AV for 18 hours to lock all the 2 hours.

So if they so deliberately showed us how to deal with the portions of AVs 2 hours and his regen, but completely skimmed over his meteor, then I'm assuming there's no trick to it. Surviving meteor is simply a matter of armor, spells, and skill.

If there was some way to lock his meteor, or cut it down, or something, SE would've put that in their video as they even said, everything we need is in those videos, which means meteor is survivable, we just need to figure out how.

Don't post, if you knew how strong Meteor is you would know skill, gear, and spells are not going to allow you to survive. Secondly if you don't know how the SE video is worked by now there is a problem, I can promise you that is 1 fight, and within a few hours, no where near 18hr, and yes it is almost a certainty they cheated if nothing else to kill it a million times faster. If there is no way to weaken/lock bracelets Meteor, as I have said before SE would NOT have had a chance in fucking hell, and from a developmental view point they are GOD DAMN brain dead.

[Virtuous Saint]

its pretty clear they want us to fight AV, but not win. while this isnt logical from a player's p.o.v., from a game developer it probably seems funny...

No, they don't care if anyone kills it or not, just like any other monster in the game, hence Hydra, Jorm... list is too long>.<.

[TummieGaruda]

So if they so deliberately showed us how to deal with the portions of AVs 2 hours and his regen, but completely skimmed over his meteor, then I'm assuming there's no trick to it. Surviving meteor is simply a matter of armor, spells, and skill.

I am not too sure about the bolded part. Based on what VS said about someone taking a full Meteor by themselves for 5900 dmg, assuming capped Shellra V was up at the time, you could work it backwards and assume that Meteors base damage is somewhere around the neighborhood of 3100. When you factor in multiple target damage reduction and shellra V alone, people are still going to take around 2300 damage. The problem is with mages, even if they are in a party with capped magic damage taken via Shellra V, gear/buffs (Not +magic defense bonus traits and gear), they are still likely to take 1800-1900 damage alone. Meteor happens pretty quickly based on the vids in the OP, and Videos I re-watched from when SA on Garuda did AV after the SE video was released.

This is assuming that Meteor follows the same magic calculations that elemental spells do. It could be totally different and calculated like how CB is from Proto Ultima which uses a totally different equation. If it does follow a different equation, then it would explain the "special" status it has.

[urat]

By skill armor etc I meant there's no trick to it, like, "if you lock his 2 hours in the order correlating to the order of elemental wheel based on jobs" or some shit like that. If there was some construed trick to weakening the bracelet mode SE would've put that in the video with the other construed tricks to weakening AV.

Thus leaving it to being some method to directly avoid or deal with his meteor, like how apathy logged PWs megadeath move, as opposed to their being some trick like killing his minions in amounts equal to the fibbinocci sequence to lock astral flow or something like that.