Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[cosworthrs]

watch the last section of video to see a whm flee hacking behind everyone for some weird reason, maybe the whm was running in for a bene or something...

[Virtuous Saint]

dead horse, wtv: Why did they nerf Wall of Justice, accidental lockings, and DRK zerg?

Those were all unacceptable means of killing the hardest thing in the game? Does not mean they care if you kill it or not, but they do care how you kill it.

[Virtuous Saint]

I thought meteor hit everyone in the area whether on the hate list or not. May very well be mistaken though.

Correct, it doesn't matter whether you have any hate on AV or not, if you are in range of the player, Meteor or AerogaIV will hit you

[stewie]

Diffusion Saline Coat can reduce meteor damage more, no?

[Virtuous Saint]

No I meant having the people there entirely to soak up damage, think 10,000 needles style. That is if meteor is split up among the receivers, I dunno.

I was wondering if casters being there to soak up damage, maybe a smn or two poping titan to give out stoneskinga and etc, would have enough time between the meteors to heal back up before the next one and recover.

think an entire extra alliance of stoneskin mages added to the hate list for meteor soaking up damage. I don't know if this would stil lmake it survivable yet or if even with that the spell will wipe you out.

K how many god damn times do I have to post that Meteor is absorbed by multiple players, and what appears to be the exact same cap (10) as all other -ga spells. I also posted the best possible strategy to absorb the damage, and guess what, even if you do this it will still deal at least 1000 damage to aegis PLDs, aka everyone who has -50%MDT. Do you get the picture yet?

[Virtuous Saint]

Diffusion Saline Coat can reduce meteor damage more, no?

Ya lol, unfortunately that would need to be a 1min recast, it isn't^^. Doesn't last anywhere NEAR long enough to use for randomly casted Meteors.

[thetruepandagod]

If damage is split up among members, maybe once AV enters hate mode have like an entire alliance of whms/rdms/blms/damagesoakingjobs standing by to soak up damage via hate.

Simply have them rotate into the party throughout the fight building up enough hate to be on the list for them to get hit, rotate out.

I dont even know though if meteor goes outside of alliance to others on hate list, and if it is or is not spread up like an AoE spell, as its been bantered back and forth whether it is.

However, if it DOES go outside alliance and IS split up, would having a large second group simply there for soaking damage work? If they could cut the damage down at least another 1/3 if they all had stoneskin and etc up, and being healer, could maybe have just enough time t oreapply stoneskin and heal back up for the next meteor?

Or does he just cast it too damn fast?

No I meant having the people there entirely to soak up damage, think 10,000 needles style. That is if meteor is split up among the receivers, I dunno.

I was wondering if casters being there to soak up damage, maybe a smn or two poping titan to give out stoneskinga and etc, would have enough time between the meteors to heal back up before the next one and recover.

think an entire extra alliance of stoneskin mages added to the hate list for meteor soaking up damage. I don't know if this would stil lmake it survivable yet or if even with that the spell will wipe you out.

I'm gonna make this simple for you.

SHUT THE FUCK UP URAT Everything you are saying/asking has been answered at least 15 times in this thread, i mean fuck its answered on the first fucking page for christ sake. WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO READ INFORMATION LITERALLY HANDED TO THEM. It is fucking pathetic that more information was collected/tested when this shit was kept in pm's between certain people on BG, and then as soon as it goes public everything worthwhile and all pertinent discussion is thrown out of the window because of illiterate fuckwits like you.

[TummieGaruda]

No I meant having the people there entirely to soak up damage, think 10,000 needles style. That is if meteor is split up among the receivers, I dunno.

I was wondering if casters being there to soak up damage, maybe a smn or two poping titan to give out stoneskinga and etc, would have enough time between the meteors to heal back up before the next one and recover.

think an entire extra alliance of stoneskin mages added to the hate list for meteor soaking up damage. I don't know if this would stil lmake it survivable yet or if even with that the spell will wipe you out.

1000 Needles / 10,000 needles is different. -Aga damage is not total dmg / amount of players hit. There is something called Multiple Damage reduction that is checked before Caster MAB / Target MDB. If there are 10 or more people that are targeted, the damage is reduced by a cap of 60% (.40 multiplier).

Here's the problem... again... VS stated that he saw a SS of someone taking 5900 damage by him/herself by Meteor. If you assume Capped Shellra V, and that AV has +132 MAB, you can work the formula backwards and come out with a base damage of 3100 damage (This is negating any dINT, im just using 3100 as an asumption). If you have mages with capped Shellra V up (27.4% MDT) then..

3100 * 0.40 * 2.32 * .726 = 2088

That's how much the mages are taking. It's not so much about the tanks surviving Meteor, it's the simple fact that the radius is 25, and any mage caught within that distance is going to take 2000+ damage. If the mages are dead, then how are they going to heal the tanks?

If you were able to give the mages capped MDT via Magus Roll + Shellra V, and they had +12 MDB from subjob traits:

3100 * 0.40 * (2.32/1.12) *0.50 = 1283 Dmg which is still a lot of damage. Again I am just using these numbers as reference and an example to show the differences.

PLD's can handle meteor without too much a problem as seen in the OP Video when Manafont is used. They know it's coming...however it is after Meteor is added to it's bag of tricks at 79% that it becomes an issue because you don't know when it is coming. By the time you realize he's casting, it's more than likely too late.

If you can build up MDT/MDB on RDM and have them survive Meteor, even if barely, you could keep them in range for main healing, and then have WHM's outside Meteors radius to heal the RDM's when necessary. Nukers could step inside the radius to cast, etc...It's possible, but there are probably other better methods that have been talked about previously.

Diffusion Saline Coat can reduce meteor damage more, no?

Saline coat if I remember correctly starts off at +50 MDB but then decays over time, and the timer/recast is too short.

[Virtuous Saint]

Exactfuckingly^

[TaruMortis]

because of illiterate fuckwits like you.

There's a reason he has that big flashing title lol

[Asdrabael]

Hes one of the reasons for my post like 10 pages ago saying how much I love AV threads.

You'll have a few people who really think this stuff out and come up with logical theories that sound plausible and are easily tested and discarded if it turns out false.

Then you have people like Urat, Gtype, and Pchan who come in and just constantly throw out the most inane unworkable idea's that they brainstorm without actually reading how the mob works or what it does in a real situation. They also post a lot so pages add up quickly, making it hard for anyone but a really persistent reader to keep up with whats actually been done and whats some crackpot daydream.

The only thing that causes more /facepalm's than an AV thread is the gimp/confused player thread.

And thats my postcount +1 contribution. Good luck with beating AV.

[pchan]

Then you have people like Urat, Gtype, and Pchan who come in and just constantly throw out the most inane unworkable idea's.

I didn't throw out any single theory in this thread

[Damane]

so a typical mage to survive meteor dmg after 79% would need at least 1000HP, -50% magic dmg taken (25% from shellra V, then some gear) and have capped stoneskin up at all times. I think non taru whms/rdm/blm can easily build their gear around 1000 HP and -25% magic dmg taken, its just that they loose on effiencence and potency, but a dead whm/rdm/blm is a useless mage. I am still skeptic tough if SE really intended the players to gear around meteor + the fact that you have a time limit, so gimping yourself on dmg to survive :/?

Basicly you are looking at something on the lines of 1whm for shellra V then 4 nukers or healers and a cor to compensate for the loss in magic accuracy? That is if we are talking purely about a mage type PT.

[Bikpik]

Anyone else read Kaeko's strat for AV?

Kanican - Absolute Virtue Lock Mechanism

[Virtuous Saint]

Anyone else read Kaeko's strat for AV?

Kanican - Absolute Virtue Lock Mechanism

Ya read it and it is good, just give me 30-40 CORs who know what they are going and I'll do it.

[Enedin]

I enjoyed reading Kanican's AV post but it requires an insane amount of people. In theory you could kill everything in the game if you have over 9000 people.

[Virtuous Saint]

yea you are stupid, I didn't come up with any theories either.
I just mentioned dark carol because it is a proven fact it can help resist meteor with other dark resist gear. Its not a theory. I didn't come up with the colored spiral theory, I just thought it was interesting that AV had the spirals until I noticed every damn mob in the game has them colored. That had nothing to do with AV, just that I liked the shiny colors.
Then I mentioned SC and MB... thats not a theory either, thats a fact that SC and MB do more damage to a mob. You are fighting against a time limit not just meteor and when they figure out meteor one day... you will soon see that time limit will be another huge problem.

Don't compare me to urat ever... ever again. of all ppl. Or will go to my bathroom and start crying.

Time limit is a slight problem, not a huge problem. We can take it to 60% in about 10min once it is locked, we can take it to 50% with more than 30-45min left. The only true problem is Meteor. Btw SC/MB will just slow you down, all you need to do is have constant stream of nukes then resting then nukes and so on. MB as I have said before can be completely counterproductive giving you less damage output just because you all nuked simultaneously and hit a massive elemental damage cut due to that.

[Virtuous Saint]

You are quoting something I never said... and you can't make FF11 names with numbers after them... I seen you eat meteor in the AV video, I seen like 6 ppl get hit only and I seen sinus survive. I am talking about the bracelets mode. I know how strong AVs meteor is, I have seen over 13 videos during bracelets mode. I have been hit by meteor solo before and It did 3k damage not 5800... he must of had snipers rings, PCC, jelly ring, something that lowered dark resist to take 5800 dmg with no shell. I have been the only one alive many times when he used meteor and have gotten hit by the last meteors he threw and never took 5800 as a mage even. I never seen meteor get higher then 3900 at anytime.

You even told me that you take 1200 dmg which is alot and I AGREE.
But PLDs have more then 1200 HP and its survivable is my point. I know you can get hit after for 600 and die, I know you can get medusa javelined, I know if he does meteor followed by aeroga 4 before you guys can recover HP and MP that you can die... I know AV cheats more then Sage sundi does on his wife and job ability recast.

I didn't take into account that your mages could be tarutaru so my bad dude.
I always assume everyone is a galka with no MP convert gear on.
Guess SE wants you to fight this thing with 10 tanks so they can cure themself lol.

I wasn't trying to say meteor was shitty and weak, but rather that you can survive one of them with full HP during bracelets mode. Rather irrevelent but from far dumb because I always thought bracelets meteor killed everyone even with full HP and 10 person cap and that isn't the case. Noone knows how to kill the monster anyway.

To call SE dumb fucks is stupid also as they said they tested AV after his 2 hr nerf and defeated it. They told a bunch of testers exactly how to fight to AV and then had a bunch of testers that they DIDN'T tell how to beat AV. They put both of them to work, about on the 3rd try, the testers that SE TOLD how to fight AV exactly finally won, while the ones that weren't given any hints wiped miserably. This is in one of either tanaka's or sundi's interviews. So maybe the SE team cheated on their AV video, but a bunch of non-SE testers in a contract agreement defeated AV.

The monster is defeatable and has been tested before its debut as a 2 hr depop, quit calling the developmental team dumb. They know more then us, they created AV.

I'm done posting. This game is dying already and nothing left to do but watch ppl try to kill AV even though sea is always empty on my server as it is.

GL on your AV.



Oh alright that makes sense. Even though its lightnings day, it would benefit you to cast freeze 2 and burst 2 for example instead of Magic bursting two Burst 2's because the 2nd burst 2 would be cut in damage as opposed to a non magic bursted freeze 2 which would do more dmg.
Gotcha.

Is it the same element that gets resisted or the same tier? Like is casting blizzard 4, freeze 2, and blizzaga 3 still gonna get the NM magic cut, or does that only happen when u cast the same element same tier, like x3 freeze 2?
I notice when i fight khim sometimes that we resist when we spam tier 4's and then I use a tier 2 spell and it does more damage then the tier 4. Like if 6 ppl are casting tier 4 and I cast tier 2 directly after their 6 tier 4's land, I do more damage then most of them except the first person that landed their cast. this is on a naked 75 mule too with an HQ ice staff lol sad.

SE developmental team is retarded, I'm sorry. Clearly from things said in this post you know little about the game really, "I have been hit by meteor solo before and It did 3k damage not 5800... he must of had snipers rings, PCC, jelly ring, something that lowered dark resist to take 5800 dmg" you clearly know nothing of what elemental resistance is or how it affects casts. The only things that would increase Meteor damage are +MDT gear, +DT gear, and -INT. Elemental resistance means NOTHING, it only affects your chance of being resisted... it would make absolutely no difference whether you had -1000 Dark or 0 Dark.

The only reason you have never seen a Meteor for 5900 is because either you were not hit solo, or you were not hit with 0 -MDT. We do know how to kill AV, with or without locking or weakening Meteor, and you would know this if you actually read or remembered what you read in this thread. However, to kill AV without locking or weakening Meteor would take an impractical number of players.

[Starr]

Don't compare me to urat ever... ever again. of all ppl. Or will go to my bathroom and start crying.

how about pchan?

you can be the 3 musketeers.

[Suit and Tie]

I have been hit by meteor solo before and It did 3k damage not 5800... he must of had snipers rings, PCC, jelly ring, something that lowered dark resist to take 5800 dmg with no shell.

lol?