Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Narse]

I'll assume this fellow is not an idiot, I guess, and I'll inform y'all if there is a change in that assumption. We had a DRG use a WS on AV, DRG/SAM, no special gear for WS that would alter breath damage, claims he had used deep breathing about 8min earlier and timer was not up for it. We were fighting on ice day, wyvern (which generally targets elemental weakness) used fire breath, and did 338 damage. Using standard WS gear on that would mean his wyvern would have capped at 180 damage breath. AV seems to get some kind of gradual damage % reduction as the fight progresses. Based on the SS of a shield bash at the same time doing 209 damage, and the damage on the wyvern breath being 338, we can probably assume the damage % reduction at this phase is 6%, and that his wyvern had full HP at the time of WS, doing a double damage fire breath for 360 - 6% = 338 damage.

Based on the SS I have of this happening, the guy has a 1min 45sec recast remaining on his Deep Breathing, which has a max duration of 3min before it wears off. The SS was taken 1min 31sec after the wyvern used the breath, which means as long as the fellow does not have 5 merits in deep breathing (and I assume him stating that he used it 8min earlier and therefore timer was not up, and the fact that the timer has 2min remaining means he has 3 merits in it), then for SOME reason, AV took double damage from that attack. Wyvern breaths just do not deal double damage for no reason.

One of two things come to mind: 1) Nukes with the day of the week weaken regen, and nukes with the element that the day of the week is weak to has some other kind of effect, or 2) Nukes of an elemental wheel pattern have some kind of effect (nuke ice followed by fire followed by water etc).

Again, I can't confirm yet for SURE that Deep Breathing wasn't active on that breath, but the fact is that the guy who did it is the one that noticed it, and I certainly hope he wouldn't be dumb enough to go "wow my wyvern breath did double damage!" and not realize that it's because of Deep Breathing.

[Narse]

I forgot to note this was after locking (at least a very significant amount) regen. That may or may not be relevant.

[Virtuous Saint]

To add to what Narse said, I checked our videos of past fights and there is seemingly no difference in elemental damage for a nuke that is strong to current day.

[Narse]

Are those when regen is locked? Also could still be the elemental wheel effect.

[pchan]

Do the wyvern always use Fire breath or only once regen is locked? I know for sure that the puppet naturally casts Blizzard 4 on AV (on ice day) at start of the battle, so it doesn't detect any weakness. Even if Deep breath was used, this gives the info that AV is weak to fire. It could be something like weaken AV to ice > weaken AV fire > weaken AV to water etc by spammin spells.

[Virtuous Saint]

Are those when regen is locked? Also could still be the elemental wheel effect.

Definitely regen locked.

[Narse]

Turns out the guy was an idiot. It had deep breathing on it.

[stewie]

So have 10 SCH?

[cdgreg]

Turns out the guy was an idiot. It had deep breathing on it.

He deserves more than the single...

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[BerenTebogo]

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Wind kit + baraero + carol + aegis - you can tell the resists. I know we knew it works but it's cool to see the #s

Edit:

nvm I lied - was Fealty

[Miroku_Asura]

Wind kit + baraero + carol + aegis - you can tell the resists. I know we knew it works but it's cool to see the #s

Edit:

nvm I lied - was Fealty

Fealty shouldn't effect spells other than Meteor/Comet(?) or enfeebs though.... unless I'm missing something entirely.....yay late nights :3

[BerenTebogo]

I had a picture of Meteor resist in there that I edited out. Sorry for vagueness.

[Therin]

Or, you know, a Shadow Mantle.

[Virtuous Saint]

I Doubt shadow mantle and shadow ring procced at the same exact time or that was pretty lucky/rare.

I noticed something today though after JOL.
The wyverns can be nuked down by light and dark magic spells in a timely manner. I was wondering if you had to nuke his wyverns with the same element as the day too. I know on iceday they do ice breath and are possibly resistant highly to ice spells on that day. But they only have 250 HP about so I would think its possible to kill them even if your freeze 2 resisted for 59 dmg.
You can also kill him with bio damage (not the DoT but the damage from the nuke). Being if this theory is true, you would not have to kill all 3 at the same time simply because on darksday there is no dark element -ga nuke in the game.
I'm gonna try nuking them with all ice spells on lets say iceday with blizzaga 3.
I too have seen tame AV's before including SE's AV, where it attacks slower at elegy speed. Not sure what causes it but someone mentioned it and i noticed it before too. Do to the fact that we wipe to AV fast, we always like killing his wyverns for fun, I think it is trigger from the wyverns really as we always mess with those before dying by AV.

(if my theory was true it would explain why they dramatically lowered the wyverns HP even though you could just lock the call wyvern was because you possibly had to nuke them with dark spells on darksday so they lowered the HP to the "lowest common dominator" day.) I'ma try again on the next AV. If he doesn't use call wyvern on the first 3 specials though, we would be dead before i could play with them (wyverns) again.

I don't mean to be a bastard but Oh My God.

PS: They have 1500HP, once again your lack of reading the OP and posting is sad.

[Bartlett]

Hi, VS. I'm from a JP forum, and read every your post.
Thx for the great information. It helped me a lot for fighting AV.
So let me add some more to it.

1. Familiar recovers wynav's HP and increases their HPmax (to about 3000),
ATK (an amount which makes our kiter scream "Now it hits me harder !"), etc,
not makes them use WS. Only Astral Flow does it.

2. When AV readies a 2h, he visually readies, too, not only on chat log.
(the same motion as an aern takes when casting.)

I know these are not so important
because all about AV is bracelets Meteor now and these are nothing to do with it.
But I just wanted to say

On magazine 'Vanatsu' published ten days ago in Japan,
Suteki interviews Mizuki Ito (a member of the dv team) and asks more clues about AV.
Ito answers that they have no more clues which make AV's value down.
So they are hopeless.
(Ito also says they are preparing a new huge HNM for WotG.
Like Kirin for RotZ, AV for CoP and PW for ToAU.)

Anyway I'll keep looking for how to weaken his Meteor, wishing it exists.
Maybe doing random actions as you like to AV and recording the whole fight in video
would help to find it better than thinking of random theories in mind.
I still even don't discover how to make him ready a 2h in this way, though. lol

English is my second language, so please forgive me if how I write has been weird. Thx.

[willriker]

your english is very good. everything you wrote was clear, and could not be missinterpreted. thank you for sharing info with us.

[Virtuous Saint]

Hi, VS. I'm from a JP forum, and read every your post.
Thx for the great information. It helped me a lot for fighting AV.
So let me add some more to it.

1. Familiar recovers wynav's HP and increases their HPmax (to about 3000),
ATK (an amount which makes our kiter scream "Now it hits me harder !"), etc,
not makes them use WS. Only Astral Flow does it.

2. When AV readies a 2h, he visually readies, too, not only on chat log.
(the same motion as an aern takes when casting.)

I know these are not so important
because all about AV is bracelets Meteor now and these are nothing to do with it.
But I just wanted to say

On magazine 'Vanatsu' published ten days ago in Japan,
Suteki interviews Mizuki Ito (a member of the dv team) and asks more clues about AV.
Ito answers that they have no more clues which make AV's value down.
So they are hopeless.
(Ito also says they are preparing a new huge HNM for WotG.
Like Kirin for RotZ, AV for CoP and PW for ToAU.)

Anyway I'll keep looking for how to weaken his Meteor, wishing it exists.
Maybe doing random actions as you like to AV and recording the whole fight in video
would help to find it better than thinking of random theories in mind.
I still even don't discover how to make him ready a 2h in this way, though. lol

English is my second language, so please forgive me if how I write has been weird. Thx.

Ya thanks, I knew AV had an animation for 'readies' 2hrs, looks like he is going to cast/WS almost, you can see the power-up colored lines as well a little bit when he does it, but ya no idea how to force AV to 'readies' 2hrs. I was not sure what all Familiar did, but I thought for sure it TPed me once while I was kiting wynavs, but I guess that was Astral Flow and we thought it was Familiar><.

Hopefully we can find a way to weaken it more some time><.

[Suiram]

Maybe the increase in max HP lowered the current % HP to a point where it triggered a WS? Like if it was 102% TP and 30% HP, and familiar made it 15% HP, so it breathed.

[Virtuous Saint]

Maybe the increase in max HP lowered the current % HP to a point where it triggered a WS? Like if it was 102% TP and 30% HP, and familiar made it 15% HP, so it breathed.

Possible, but I didn't give it TP other than 10 from a bio, but it could have easily been from its initial pop hitting people.

[Mistress Stowastiq]

Hi, VS. I'm from a JP forum, and read every your post.
Thx for the great information. It helped me a lot for fighting AV.
So let me add some more to it.

1. Familiar recovers wynav's HP and increases their HPmax (to about 3000),
ATK (an amount which makes our kiter scream "Now it hits me harder !"), etc,
not makes them use WS. Only Astral Flow does it.

2. When AV readies a 2h, he visually readies, too, not only on chat log.
(the same motion as an aern takes when casting.)

I know these are not so important
because all about AV is bracelets Meteor now and these are nothing to do with it.
But I just wanted to say

On magazine 'Vanatsu' published ten days ago in Japan,
Suteki interviews Mizuki Ito (a member of the dv team) and asks more clues about AV.
Ito answers that they have no more clues which make AV's value down.
So they are hopeless.
(Ito also says they are preparing a new huge HNM for WotG.
Like Kirin for RotZ, AV for CoP and PW for ToAU.)

Anyway I'll keep looking for how to weaken his Meteor, wishing it exists.
Maybe doing random actions as you like to AV and recording the whole fight in video
would help to find it better than thinking of random theories in mind.
I still even don't discover how to make him ready a 2h in this way, though. lol

English is my second language, so please forgive me if how I write has been weird. Thx.

I understand your writing. Not weird at all.
I would like to read more about that interview and wonder if Elmer has covered Vanatsu recently.