Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[thetruepandagod]

But sir, i have already obtained the ultimate relic.

edit: previous post was mostly in regards to titanns

So VS are you going to take the sch opportunity that was placed in front of you? Take it from me it is too good of a opportunity to pass up. And even if AV doesn't fall post the attempt/strat and a kill will likely come shortly thereafter.

Which i find hilarious in how hopeful and sure of the strategy he is.

[Titanss]

Shit why wouldn't it work? Take Av down to 60% and have a party/+2 of sch's do the damn thing. A ls like apathy should have no problem. And at this point SE doesn't give a shit (It has already been gm'd a hundred times and they haven't did anything) I doubt it would ever get patched. Quit being so damn negative and lets kill this thing. People like you don't help shit.

Edit: And you talk about the human error.. Is that what you think the problem will be? It's on-event look it up, a retarded monkey could do it. Shit even in a few posts from the people who do it said they don't even need that.

[Thorny]

Shit why wouldn't it work? Take Av down to 60%

Problem is that your damage will be lowered significantly on initial nuke due to AV's increasing damage resistance as hp drops. Since it's an exponential function(2^x * initial damage), you're not going to increase your chances of kill noticably. If the damage resistance is at set stages(ie: 80-60-etc) you could take it to 81%, but the goal is to just one shot it straight out.

[Titanss]

Anybody tried a Cryohelix @ 80 or 60 % to see the damage..

Edit: Maybe I understood incorrectly from the posts but I saw the damage to be the same.

If not then what you said and be done with it.

[thetruepandagod]

(It has already been gm'd a hundred times and they haven't did anything) I doubt it would ever get patched. Quit being so fucking negative and lets kill this thing. People like you don't help shit.

First off, why the fuck would GM's do anything in order to stop something that MAY OR MAY NOT work when it fucking takes them months just to fix things that are obviously broken and need to be fixed, like the enfeebling magic being broken not too long ago. Stating that GM's haven't "did" anything is fucking asinine. People like me actually do help shit, as i try to test almost all logical theories posted with my linkshell rather often as best we can. What have you done?

It's on-event look it up, a retarded monkey could do it.

Yes, i know what on-event is you little dipshit i used it many times to lock manafont before u even knew 2hrs could be locked.

[Titanss]

I don't know you but I've never seen you post shit of any gd use .. maybe you can link me.

What have you done?

nothing.

Yes, i know what on-event is you little dipshit i used it many times to lock manafont before u even knew 2hrs could be locked.

then don't talk bullshit about human error, and how the fuck do you know when I knew two hrs could be locked? you probably figured it out when everyone else did.. ya a video was released some fucking where...lemme think

edit: sleep time I'll reply to your next post in the morning.. post all that info you was talking about lets not derail

[thetruepandagod]

I talk about human error because not everyone wants to use on-event regardless of how much it helps. Kaeko for example was always in favor of finding a way to lock 2hr's legitimately without the use of any 3rd party tools.

Regardless i personally think there is more success to be had in a war zerg to drop AV down fast and then basically just send standard AV alliances at it over and over with 2 blm pt's just basically doing the RMT strat of nuking and dying. But that wouldn't be a very fun fight at all.

[Cairthenn]

I talk about human error because not everyone wants to use on-event regardless of how much it helps. Kaeko for example was always in favor of finding a way to lock 2hr's legitimately without the use of any 3rd party tools.

Regardless i personally think there is more success to be had in a war zerg to drop AV down fast and then basically just send standard AV alliances at it over and over with 2 blm pt's just basically doing the RMT strat of nuking and dying. But that wouldn't be a very fun fight at all.

To clarify, I'm fairly positive Kaeko didn't care one way or another, but most of his Linkshell did not have access to an OnEvent program or did not wish/care to find one.

Modus Veritas allows room for human error without OnEvent, although it's around 1.5seconds time.

If a WAR zerg worked, SE would probably nerf Mighty Strikes on AV. They do not want it zerged down, obviously. Regardless, yes, it probably would work at the moment with the right numbers.

[Loughry]

Skipped the past 2 weeks or so of posts...forgive me if I'm bringing up something already mentioned. But I watched the NA version of the AV video made by SE and noticed that only 2hr abilities are used...no other MAIN job abilities were used from what I could see. Think it was confirmed that the person who used flee was RDM... That being said, AV has access to 2hr job abilities...maybe we're only allowed to fight it with 2hr abilities.

From what I remember reading on posts 2 weeks back, surviving meteor seemed to be on everyone's mind. Obviously in SE's video they did not have dark builds equipped and didn't have new post 15 jobs spamming wildcard or rolls and stuff like that...I think trying to survive meteor is a joke.

I have never fought AV before...but I thought of the idea of that maybe using abilities of your main job that you're on that is NOT the 2hr ability will yield a "consequence" from AV. Maybe it will load a meteor into its usable spells/abilities for every false move (used JA that's not 2hr) a player on hate list uses... or..maybe it will change its pace of attack speed...

Like I said, i've skipped the past 2 weeks of posts so I don't know what new things have been tested or found out. But I will say that I think ultimately Meteor is only used when someone stepped out of line...you're fighting the hardest boss in the game...if you don't fight him the right way, he's gonna get you for it.

I don't know, just thought I'd throw it out there...maybe plds should stop using Sent/Fealty and whatnot...yeah it sounds silly...but AV can't use them, maybe neither should you.

Never saw the DRK use souleater or last resort in the video..but they did use SATA, I think this is allowed because they are JAs that are not of the MAIN job they are on...the SAM never used Hasso or Meditate from what I remember.

This would mean BLM can't ES obviously, but if it's the key to not having a meteor load into AV's usable spells/abilities...its for sure worth it.

[drwaffles]

Protip: never, ever make a post in this topic if you're going to start off by admitting to not reading X, Y or Z.

[Doink]

[QUOTE=Loughry;3206361]Skipped the past 2 weeks or so of posts...forgive me if I'm bringing up something already mentioned. But I watched the NA version of the AV video made by SE and noticed that only 2hr abilities are used...no other MAIN job abilities were used from what I could see. Think it was confirmed that the person who used flee was RDM... That being said, AV has access to 2hr job abilities...maybe we're only allowed to fight it with 2hr abilities.

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I honestly thought the same thing when I watched the video. But people in this thread are pretty harsh for posting observations/theories, especially if someone somewhere posted that they tested it buried in 300 pages of worthless insults and arguing.
I would like to see someone make a thread about theories tested and debunked. But honestly, no one has the time or interest to take on such a grueling task.

[vagus]

If you do AV, you will know what's works and what has been debunked. At this point AV is not killable, not because LS's haven't tried but because SE has made it unkillable. As much as I love this game, SE has dropped the ball on fixing issues too late, one of them being AV. I appreciate people posting theories, but if someone hasn't even read the entire thread or even attemped AV with a LS, please try to keep crack pot theories to a minimum.

[Virtuous Saint]

If you do AV, you will know what's works and what has been debunked. At this point AV is not killable, not because LS's haven't tried but because SE has made it unkillable. As much as I love this game, SE has dropped the ball on fixing issues too late, one of them being AV. I appreciate people posting theories, but if someone hasn't even read the entire thread or even attemped AV with a LS, please try to keep crack pot theories to a minimum.

It's killable.

[Lyramion]

It's killable.

This


All about amount of people / jobs

[StopTheLight]

If you do AV, you will know what's works and what has been debunked. At this point AV is not killable, not because LS's haven't tried but because SE has made it unkillable. As much as I love this game, SE has dropped the ball on fixing issues too late, one of them being AV. I appreciate people posting theories, but if someone hasn't even read the entire thread or even attemped AV with a LS, please try to keep crack pot theories to a minimum.

"People who do AV" are the same people who shot down the idea of responding to AVs 2 hours with 2 hours (time after time after time that it was suggested on every XI board). I appreciate the input of people who have dealt with the mob first-hand, but if someone can't give a legitimate effort to advance our position on killing AV, please try to keep the negative views to a minimum.

[Virtuous Saint]

Hmm... rofl

[BerenTebogo]

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[Mojo]

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

[Cairthenn]

So you're suggesting that in order to make AV act stupid we too have to act stupid?

[Seanr]

all of that will be shot down lol