Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Seanr]

So you're suggesting that in order to make AV act stupid we too have to act stupid?

SE

[warrior2582]

He was doing this the other day in his spawn point where we dragged him back when someone was trying to run. He started attacking slower so we decided to hold him. During this slow phase, he also readies his 2 hours slowly instead of instanly using them.
I do not know how or why this happens, but if he can ready the 2 hours more slowly like he did that day then it would easy to mimick his 2 hours and lock them without using a 3rd party device like OnEvent (sp?)
Unfortunantly, I do not remember if his magic spells were instant cast or normal cast during this phase. Would be cool if he slowly readied his magic as well especially meteor to the KB casting speed.

We died by wyverns and chainspell eventually. We never do any serious attempts on our AV's but sometimes he seems tamer then usual and we last awhile holding him.

Did your ls try to do anymore testing on this? It does seem somewhat logical if SE ninja patched (or maybe its been there from the start?) it to prevent people from moving AV to take advantage of the terrain.

[jaryk]

Why does it seem like whenever we're making actual intelligent progress in a thread such as this, retards come out of the woodwork to ruin it.

[Shinryuu]

I want to make clear I hate backseat modding very much. Very, very much.

But can someone ban gtype for fuck's sake.

[Hogie]

WHM doesn't use divine seal or divine viel, he erases the defense down seperately.

Only job abilities used in SE video were Utsusemi, flee, trick attack which were all from subjobs. FACT.

Do you honestly even play this game?

[Gadritan]

Lies and fabrications.

[Loughry]

What I was trying to say earlier was in the SE videos they never show Meteor going off...but people insist on saying SE cheated in and they can't survive meteor...

I'm going to agree with the fact SE can't survive meteor...but I don't think they cheated...crazy idea...what if AV never did cast meteor...

Like I said, I never saw any MAIN job JAs used...

Maybe the question isn't how to "lock" AVs meteor...

...but how to not "unlock" it?

Also, in their video, you can notice a SMN doing astral flow when it's not needed, anyone have suggestions to this? The smn (starts with a R) uses astral flow when no wynavs are present (sure they can be taken across the map off the camera view...but highly unlikely). But, when AV even call wyvern'd a few scenes later, the SMN still used AF......any ideas?

Maybe they're showing us that they are "sacrifcing" their 2hr or something...

I also believe that locking the 15 2hrs was only useful when AV wasn't set with the 2hr limit, maybe what ev1 is trying to do is the "old" method of killing AV. Maybe SE setting AV to 2hr limit in a way helps us...because like you said, time is an issue...and i'm sure they didn't intend for mass people to gather and change jobs multiple times to as the golden way to kill AV.

Also in the video..everyone knows SA doesn't work unless it's from behind...lol...as to why they would use SA purposely like this?...maybe to get the point across subjob JAs are fine? >.> lol@SA+TA in 1 macro > ws....

(respond the smn in the SE video plz)

(ok no cheating besides the unlimited 2hr usage >.>, which I think was necessary to get the point across in a 5min video)

I'd personally like Suiram's, Mojo's, and VS's input on the idea of the no JAs....

[enoch]

^ Just, wow. Did you even read this thread at all before you posted?

[Nermie]

WHM doesn't use divine seal or divine viel, he erases the defense down seperately.

I keep my WHM down at 49 just so I can't use Divine Viel (sic).

[Loughry]

Yes I did, thank you for responding to the SMN in the video and giving your suggestion on it...?

Not so sure why you ask me it like that...everyone thought "2hrs were regenerated if you used it after AV did"...and whatnot

The SE video was pretty clear in telling us about nuking to corresponding day and whatnot...and I don't think it should be overlooked they are not showing any main JAs (excluding 2hr) and showing multiple subjob JAs being used...

RDM/thf...show Diaga then show JA flee...

SAM+DRK using SATA from in front of AV...seriously think that wasn't just a "lazy sata" macro being made...

Like the usage of 2hrs after AV does in the video...it's probably something that is just in plain sight and you all are looking too hard at alternative ways to kill it.

[drwaffles]

Like the usage of 2hrs after AV does in the video...it's probably something that is just in plain sight and you all are looking too hard at alternative ways to kill it.

Are you trolling or something? You're the one that's reading way too much into the contents of the video. Spoiler: SE devs know far less about this game than the player base does. They've proved time and again their incompetence and lack of knowledge, so the fact that you think they're trying to give us hints about how to kill AV by doing wacky (read: stupid and noobish) things in the video is just plain dumb. If you'd read the topic at all you'd know that people who come in giving their thoroughly unfounded opinions and insight get ripped to shreds, especially people who haven't fought AV and who even admit to not having read the topic.

[enoch]

Yes I did, thank you for responding to the SMN in the video and giving your suggestion on it...?

The reason I didn't respond about the SMN in SE's video is that I don't believe SE's video is a valid data source for information on fighting AV - for two very important reasons that have already been mentioned in this thread and others: the video was edited not to show the whole fight; and AV's mechanics (and hence strategies for fighting JoL/AV) have been updated since the video with the addition of the time limit and draw-in, etc.

This thread was supposed to be about hard, factual information about AV. When you say "maybe", "probably", and "I believe" - you take away from what this thread was supposed to be. That's what I take exception to. Sorry if I wasn't more clear about that.

I've asked VS via PM to update the OP to address SE's video (as if it hasn't already been addressed enough elsewhere) so we'll see if he feels that doing so would be beneficial to the discussion of current, factual information about AV.

[FailureMidgard]

I'm pretty sure the real secret has to do with the fact that this is the only video I've ever seen that fucks with my FFXI graphics. Whenever I watch the video while FFXI is open, suddenly every player, npc, etc de-renders and won't come back. Coincidence? I think not, SE knew this would happen to me when they made the video, it must be a hint.

[Sephoroth]

Spoiler: SE devs know far less about this game than the player base does. They've proved time and again their incompetence and lack of knowledge, so the fact that you think they're trying to give us hints about how to kill AV by doing wacky (read: stupid and noobish) things in the video is just plain dumb.

Yet SE has killed AV and even made a video, have you? Didn't think so... This thread is supposed to be for testing but lately everytime somebody posts something they are automatically called a retard or something... Well you all seem to keep forgetting, SE made this game and this NM so it can be a fucking retarded to kill as they want it to be, so maybe the whole JA shit will work who the fuck knows, have any of you even tried it? Until i see you people show maybe your own video of AV raping you while trying a suggested theory then I would really appreciate not having to read 30 posts of "You're a retard" and "That will never work" without you even PROVING it wont work... and by video of suggested theory i dont mean 2hr locking, we know how that works, im talking about the "calming" of AV, so maybe someone should go pop him with try killing it using no abilities.. otherwise stop posting 300 posts of useless baggering on people that at least post an idea, even if it might be dumb.. its also SE's little toy you're trying to kill....

[Konda]

Are you trolling or something? You're the one that's reading way too much into the contents of the video.

JA theory seems feasable imo, unless you've specifically been and tested this theory, you're in no place to debunk a perfectly legitimate observation made from a video that SE specificcally released to help players with AV.


Look at BR, floor2... using magic on flans means the ramp doesn't pop. I don't know about you, but when I'm normally fighting flans, "don't use magic" isn't the first thing to pop into my head...

[Vito]

^ Just, wow. Did you even read this thread at all before you posted?

You obviously did and your idea is?????? nothing

Atleast he's trying to think up ideas, which is more than most of us who have read the whole thread are doing.

[Saga]

You obviously did and your idea is?????? nothing

Atleast he's trying to think up ideas, which is more than most of us who have read the whole thread are doing.

last I checked, no ideas are better than fucking retarded ones.

[Loughry]

Why is it retarded...?

Let's think about before the SE video was released ok....does the idea of wasting your 2hr after you see a cloud of dust come from AV sound retarded to you?...

No one thought to do it before the video was released...and if anyone who did...they were probably shot with >>>> "hey, you're retarded lololol"


I still think my JA theory is worthy of testing, who's to say the 2hr JAs are the only JAs that make an impact in this fight?

This is an easy one to test in my opinion...

Like many people have said before...they have seen times where NO meteors have been used...I can only think that is because maybe it was early in the fight and no JAs were used.....and just the opposite can be said where people have witnessed multiple meteors being used back to back to back...possibly from multiple JAs being used and thus loading X number of meteors to be used

[enoch]

You obviously did and your idea is?????? nothing

Atleast he's trying to think up ideas, which is more than most of us who have read the whole thread are doing.

I'm sorry, I thought the subject of this thread was Absolute Virtue Information... not theory, conjecture, or bullshit "ideas".

The next time I fight AV, if I learn anything new, then I'll post it. In the meantime the best I can do is try to point out stupidity as it happens and hope that someone comes along and cleans the thread up.

[thetruepandagod]

Wow idiocy has risen by leaps and bounds. But just to post something to shut them up, my linkshell has tried 2 AV fights in the past just holding him to see if we could get him in a calm state. We tried one fight with no JA's whatsoever and 1 fight with no Magic whatsoevr just to see if anything would change. This was before the nerf so if u want to retest it go ahead. But it sure as hell didn't work back then.