Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[drwaffles]

The point is it did fail, it did become public and I think you've done nothing to argue your point, but reinforce ours. No one was going to kill AV, run and change titles, anon sell and get away with it. Fuck... you can't fart on most servers without it being public, had your plan worked I'd say it would've probably taken maybe 30 minutes at the most before your strategy and who you were to be found out. The zerg strategy was up pretty much after SE had patched it.

You're comparing a strategy that was kept pretty damn quiet for over a year and required 8 people to one that was attempted directly after an update in which it was clearly stated that AV's HP had been adjusted and required an alliance of zerg weapons? Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about with regards to what went on with our group so stop making assumptions based on something that happened long after the whole thing had petered out due to the lack of motivation of one person. That is to say, stop citing the fact that it was eventually made public as evidence to suggest that we wouldn't have been able to conceal our identities/strategy for a time if our plan had come to fruition.

[Cairthenn]

Someone's probably jealous that he can't keep a secret. So sad.

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Get the fuck out, none of your arguments even make sense.

1.)We were planning on absurd AM times.
2.)People were willing to keep them and not wear them right away
3.)Yes..?
4.)It'd die within 10 minutes. In one shot. It would not sit up at 10%
5.)You can do it anonymously, make mules to advertise it on other servers, use an online website that doesn't make you reveal your character name. Hur dur?
6.)You expect that you're doing this with people you trust (in before being called a hypocrite, planning to fuck people over anyways, etc.)

[Thorny]

1.Yea because there would be no spectators in sea watching you secretly kill an AV.

AV will be up less than 15 minutes. I can cite dozens of JoLs where nobody was around for 15 minutes afterwards.

2. Yea Because everyone would want to upgrade an aegis that is found in every corner of whitegate instead of keeping a once in lifebar rare peice such as an N. Sash which probably has less then 20 of these in the entire game all servers combined.

RMT the gil, buy dusk gloves+1, tons of things you can do with it.. I'll keep my vbelt and get useful stuff instead of 6 attack.

3. Yea because you can all change your titles and there would be not person to brag about winning.

Why the flaming fuck would you bring anyone arrogant enough they'd throw out such a great gil source to gain some sort of social acceptance?

4. Because sea spectators wouldn't tell their friends to come over and watch an AV which is at 10% lifebar, and those spectators would get there as you killed it and check all the people running to the safehold spiral and checking 10 ppl whiz by with Virutous Saint titles.

There are no fucking spectators, sea is dead. It's ridiculously easy to get 45 minutes with nobody in the zone to gather and do JoL+AV.

5. Because you can secretly sell N. Sash's cross server and bazaar them in FFXIAH.com without people knowing.

Bazaar them in a ffxiah mule, doesn't even have to be your server.

6. Last but not least, that you can even SWITCH servers to begin with and the 50 something ppl that helped you kill AV would be ok with you taking off with their precious AV items/gil.

You switch with mules, you do enough kills everyone gets some loot to sell and deals with their transfers themselves. Hurr. Fucking. Durr.

I can add like 500 more numbers if you would like. Cairthenn, you are a moron, shut the fuck up, how bout getting rid of you.

Go for it, I'd love to refute them. Cair is pretty decent tbh.

1.You can kill AV with simple ease but you cannot farm 12 G. chips to pop jailer of fortitude or have enough ppl to lowman jailer of faith safely so you can get JOL pops.

I've duoed Jailer of Faith with Bind, and 3manned it with Drwaffles and Cairthenn. It's not particularly difficult..

2.You don't even have enough to kill JOL himself but you are gonna ass rape AV in bracelets like he is a Quasilumin.

Protip: Kill JOL with the exact same fucking strategy.

3. Then you are gonna have enough ppl to repeat this process every single week. Even apathy doesn't have numbers or ppl to possibly farm AV every single day even if they find a way to defeat it reliably like they did with PW.

I can solo a JoL popset in about 20 hours. A group of 6 can farm one in about 4 hours if they split up.

News flash, AV is difficult. Even if you can lock his 2 hours and regen and lets make pretend you can lock his bracelets... you aren't gonna do it 100% everytime and its most likely that the first AV kill will be luck based on what spells he decides to use that day and some LS gets lucky.

Do you even understand the strategy? You don't need to tank it, lock bracelets, lock regen, lock 2hrs, or anything.. it just instantly dies to a click of damage for 2^9 * initial helix. This isn't an exaggeration, it's been proven the mechanic allows it.

Go fight your Ix DRG and make pretend hes AV again.... and pretend that everyone helping with the kill will be so happy to lend you the AV items. There will always be arguments on what to do with the items im sure.

I'm not really sure what to say to this, but anyone reading knows you're retarded by now anyway.

You won't ever kill AV, but I was just pointing out how you act like everything would fall according to your plan when you cannot control 40+ other ppl unless you planned on using 40 of your own characters at the same time.

You need roughly 11 people. Nine scholars and a couple people to buff the scholar casting initial helix.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
Kill yourself.
With love,
Thorny

[drwaffles]

1.You can kill AV with simple ease but you cannot farm 12 G. chips to pop jailer of fortitude or have enough ppl to lowman jailer of faith safely so you can get JOL pops.

Learn to read. By the time we were ready to start farming for a test pop it was pretty evident that a couple of people had lost interest, so no one could be bothered when it was ultimately going to be pointless. Oh, and I probably haven't yet mentioned that the guy I keep referring to told us that he had a few JoL pop sets ready to be transferred over from Bahamut which, funnily enough, never materialised.

2.You don't even have enough to kill JOL himself but you are gonna ass rape AV in bracelets like he is a Quasilumin.

Lol... are you really this fucking stupid?

3. Then you are gonna have enough ppl to repeat this process every single week. Even apathy doesn't have numbers or ppl to possibly farm AV every single day even if they find a way to defeat it reliably like they did with PW.

What are you talking about now? ITT: it's hard to farm a JoL pop in a week. Ib4 you bring up the shit in #1 again and make yourself look even more retarded.

[Siman]

isn't this AV informaion thread? or maybe i'm wrong? if u dont want to share just dont post and stop talking shit lol

[Mojo]

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[willriker]

SCH burn hasnt worked, its been tried many times. It might work on other things, but for some reason it has not been able to be replicated on AV. I really hope we can move past that.

Perhaps we can use SCH burn to widdle it down to a lower % to see how its AI behaves. To see if Bracelets meteor is really the last trick it has up its sleave. I know that some SCH burns have gotten AV to very low %'s. But, simply has not gotten to the one shot stage of effeciency. Yet i have not seen any information on how AV behaves at those low %'s.

Does it lose its ability to cast meteor after a certain %? Which would mean that we need to derive a strategy to take it past meteor stage... I know... not easy.

Does it retain its ability to cast meteor at low %? If so, then there is definately something we are missing here. With some luck, it might be possible to zerg from X% down to Y%. Though there would need to be a solid strategy behind the zerg.

Does something else happen at low%? we really do not know. At least those who have gotten its HP down to that point fall into two groups. One would be the zerg'ers. The other would be the SCH's. I really dont think any information regarding AV's AI during a zerg is good data to go off of. I mean think about how much you can garner from Bahamaut V2's AI... if all you had to go on was observations from a zerg. The other group would be the SCH's. It would be neat to see what can be gathered from thier experiences.

I really wish that the guys who actualy performed some of these zergs would pop into this thread to share what they have learned about how AV behaves at lower %'s. It is not like sharing any info they have about AV is going to steal their thunder for being first to kill AV... i mean its not like the SCH burn is working anyhow.

[Shiriokumo]

Adjustments have been made to the following scholar job ability:

* Modus Veritas
After a helix spell is cast on a target, a predetermined period of time must elapse before Modus Veritas can be used effectively. Furthermore, certain Notorious Monsters will now demonstrate resistance to the effects of Modus Veritas.



I lol'd rl.

[Titanss]

EDIT: So this has been tried many times ? .. I doubt it

[Rainewaters]

Adjustments have been made to the following scholar job ability:

* Modus Veritas
After a helix spell is cast on a target, a predetermined period of time must elapse before Modus Veritas can be used effectively. Furthermore, certain Notorious Monsters will now demonstrate resistance to the effects of Modus Veritas.

There went AV

[Titanss]

o wow

[EternalSnow]

lol

[Starr]

so uh, wat's goin on in this thread?

[Demonic]

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I can't tell you how much this made me laugh.

[Jaxzer]

EDIT: So this has been tried many times ? .. I doubt it

On Odin yes, it was. We just didn't go around screaming like 12-year-old schoolgirls about it.

[willriker]

yeah im rather upset about this right now. so lame. the funny thing is that its our fault for letting the cat out of the bag. Really should have been kept in private, till it was killed a few times before releasing the information.

Well, thatll teach people for releasing interesting information ever again.

[Titanss]

On Odin yes, it was. We just didn't go around screaming like 12-year-old schoolgirls about it.

results? not like it matters now anyway..

[Jaxzer]

Ask Kaeko.

[Thorny]

SCH burn doesn't work on AV its been done many times already. Even Virutous Saint said it wouldn't work.

Nobody gives a shit what Swazy has to say, especially considering he was willing to join our group to do it.

"I'll Keep my V belt"..... You acting like that N sash is sole property of you. There will be ppl who dispute it or act like they don't care for drops but when they see the loot... you bet things will get shady fast.

Do it with people who aren't greedy idiots? Simple.

It won't be zerged, I know the next AV kill will be a "legit strat and slow process" unless it brings me to the 50+ ppl remark again. SCH burn won't kill him.

You had nothing to back this up. The fact that SE nerfed modus implies that it would have worked.

You just said 15 mins, now its 45 mins? Besides, sea might be dead on YOUR server, you aren't speaking for every single server.

I said AV would take 15 minutes. JoL+AV+gather time would take 45ish.

People won't be happy with you server transfering their AV shit... trust me fucking DURR!!!!..... unless you give them an actual "Sin" and they can deal with that themselves with enough AV kills sure. But selling the shit for gil and then giving them the "i'm going to transfer back and give you your gil excuse" ain't gonna work buddy. Not everyone wants to spend 25 bucks to server transfer anyway, most would probably just sell it on their server with a mule.

If you could fucking read, you'd know I meant distributing sins and letting people deal with selling them on their own for their own gil.

I have 28 JOL pop sets buddy, doing sea 3x a week only is more then enough to get that many going 3-5 hours an event day. It all depends on the pop timer of Ix drg which is the only cock blocker really.

You're full of shit. There is NO reason to hang onto 28 JOL pop sets, and if you have enough people to split up and farm 28 sets in 15 hours(which isn't even possible given that you'd need to average 1 drg per 35 min or so, same for temp and other lottos if you had people at each trigger) then I would really hope you're capable of killing JOL.

I have a SCH, I have destroyed UFO's in sea with it..... you are telling me a strategy that I knew about the day SCH merits were introduced. I do not think it will work on AV.

No, you are retarded... it hasn't been SCH burned by any SCHs attempting it. They all failed hardcore on 1 shotting AV

They never landed enough moduses to keep a click. The attempts done have given the exact damage that was expected, which implies it did work.

I know how much you need you fucking idiot, im one of the first people to test the SCH burn and im in the youtube video you fucking moron idiot. How are you gonna tell me something that we taught you! We are the same ppl telling you it will not work on AV

You didn't teach anyone shit, seedz let everyone know. If you were in that video, you were in the same group as Cair and Drwaffles.. which doesn't really make sense at this point since their final target was always AV. You're fucking retarded, go away.

Also, all moot due to nerf just felt like pointing out how stupid you are.

[Titanss]

Do it with people who aren't greedy idiots? Simple.

so much easier said than done with AV items, I saw a salt of the earth family man recall a account when the buyer bought a mars's ring.. what the fuck is the world coming too >_<