Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Virtuous Saint]

Nobody gives a shit what Swazy has to say, especially considering he was willing to join our group to do it.

What? lol, I don't even know who you are.

[Titanss]

.. I think he's talking about the other guy

[Thorny]

What? lol, I don't even know who you are.

It's kind of hypocritical to agree to doing a MV group if you're spewing that it doesn't work. Then again, it could just be Gtype being retarded claiming that. You know more about AV itself than anyone, but prior to the patch it was confirmed that:

A) Multiple MVs stack, as many as 9 confirmed on non-AV mobs
B) MV stacking works on AV, as many as 7 confirmed on AV
C) mathematically, using helix #s that have been actually landed on AV, 9 MVs would kill it

Given this, it's kind of ignorant to assume that MVs would not kill AV. Again, this is assuming that Gtype isn't full of shit and you said that they wouldn't.

[Virtuous Saint]

It's kind of hypocritical to agree to doing a MV group if you're spewing that it doesn't work. Then again, it could just be Gtype being retarded claiming that. You know more about AV itself than anyone, but prior to the patch it was confirmed that:

A) Multiple MVs stack, as many as 9 confirmed on non-AV mobs
B) MV stacking works on AV, as many as 7 confirmed on AV
C) mathematically, using helix #s that have been actually landed on AV, 9 MVs would kill it

Given this, it's kind of ignorant to assume that MVs would not kill AV. Again, this is assuming that Gtype isn't full of shit and you said that they wouldn't.

Well he is full of shit because I never said it wouldn't work lol.. In fact I was hoping to attempt it, but not many people in Apathy were up for it quite yet.

[Cairthenn]

What? lol, I don't even know who you are.

He meant you implied you'd possibly be willing, though if you weren't it's not like it matters, there were a few others anyways. Doesn't matter at all now obviously.

Gtype, you are a complete idiot. No other group that I am aware of (including Kaeko's) was able to get 9 SCH MV to work consistently on anything. The group I had together was, however. If other groups couldn't make it work on random mobs, why would they be able to make it work on AV which only required more coordination? Please just shut up.

[Yoruichii]

Hey guys, I just wanted to post up a pic of something interesting my LS discovered on our last AV attempt - We haven't been doing AV much until now, seeing as we finally took down PW on Cerberus! It came to my attention when we were training ourselves to handle AVs 2 hour locking that when he Manafonted, his Meteor wasn't as devestating as it was/used to be.

One of our main PLDs insists he did not have his Fealty activated when Meteor hit him, as he had used it before AV used Manafont. Another thing to note is that the Meteors only hit about 8-9 members of the alliance and that those people only took around 800 damage. We were trying to minimise casualties rather than absorb Meteor like we used to (which caused us to wipe anyway). This pic is from the PLD, he does have Aegis, but wasn't using any MDB gear at the time.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3079/meteorn.th.jpg

We are having a hard time locking AVs 2 hours at the moment, esp SV and CS seeing as we don't use any On event stuff.

[Sylvrdragon]

Interesting. How many Meteors did you guys eat that were that low? Have to rule out that it isn't a fluke.

[Bartlett]

Yeah, interesting. How can you do it deliberately ?
Anyway, today I have my report, too. It's on our yesterday's AV fights.

1. All enfeeblements on AV fall off when AV deaggros (like the OP says).
But ones on Wynavs don't when Wynavs deaggros.

2. Blue magic, Frightful Roar (-10% defense for 3 mins)
and Infrasonics (-20 evasion for 1 min) land on AV.

3. /cheer AV forces him to ready 2hrs.

No.1 is not important.
No.2 is not so bad. Angon is better to lower AV's defense though.

No.3 sounds stupid, but we are almost sure it's true.
This idea came from the official AV video which people watched thousand times.
We thought the video showed only two things.
As you know, one was about locking his regen and another was about locking his 2hrs.
Everyone ignored an emotion part regarding as a worthless small scene.
(Three Tarus do /panic and /farewell JoL, then /cheer AV.)
However, we ran out of random theories to try, so we decided to copy this scene.
After we did it, AV showed no big difference at first.
That's why we began spamming emotions on him, like /slap, /angry and everything.
And right after that, he readied EES and it took our attentions very much.
Because we haven't seen it for a long time.
(In our last two AV fights, he didn't ready 2hrs even once, just like the OP video.)
We continued spamming emotions, so he did.
(He readied EES, CW, CW, Manafont, EES, PD, CW, Manafont and CS straight in a row.
Usually he doesn't use the same 2hr back to back, but CW is an only exception.
I think when AV without Wynavs chooses Familiar, Mijingakure, or AF, he uses CW instead.
So these two seeming CWs must have been different ones actually,
like one was AF and another was real CW.
We were killing Wynavs immediately and didn't try to lock any 2hr during this fight.)

Obviously he didn't ready these 9 many 2hrs randomly or coincidentaly.
There must be something in the emotions and it forced him ready them.
(By the way, AV still readied Lateral Slash for Hundred fists.
The development team seems too busy to correct it even today.)

We had two fights yesterday.
So we could investigate which emotion is the trigger on the second fight.
As a conclusion, /cheer and /hurray AV seemed to work well.
The times you /cheer AV cause the same number of AV's ready.
Once it is done, other emotions like /sigh and /upset don't cancel it.
(If they do, a third party can easily bother. So I think negative.)
When you emote him, you don't have to be in the main alliance.
You don't have to be on the hate list, either. You can be free solo.
It doesn't even matter if AV aggros or deaggros.

We just began this investigation, so our information is still rough.
AV's 2hr readying on the logs seems to only make the matching business easy.
Once his readying shows up, people won't be too late to counter it with the same 2hr.
No need for a bot. But I imagine that there is more.
Locking all the 15 2hrs was reported that it didn't lock his meteor.
But how about locking all the 'readied' 15 2hrs ?
That's my imagination. I'll try to check it out in a few days.

Anyway, spamming /cheer or any emote to AV is very easy to do and it has no risk at all.
Why don't you try it, too, VS and people ?
I hope this is not only my imagination and will lead us to his end.

[thetruepandagod]

Bart let me know next time u fight i want to watch this.

[Hogie]

I dont want to discredit your theory at all, and i am going to try it for sure when we fight it next.... but arnt you the same guy who said you had a interview with SE and they said we needed to kill aerns?

[thetruepandagod]

If bartlett says something its either true or he at least thinks its true, so either way worth a shot hes a good guy.

[Hogie]

I dont mean any disrespect honestly, I want to try it. I just wasnt sure if im thinking of the same person

[Kaylia]

That sound completely retarded, but since you said it worked, it's hard to simply ignore it.


How long was the delay between two hours? You say "immediatly", but can you give us a rough time estimate? Is it really back to back?

[Hogie]

And in addition to Kaylia's question, could you technically force a 2h while another one is still active?

[shepardG]

Even better, if this were the case, would it stun AV's meteor if all his 2hrs are locked, and you /cheer or /hurray him?

if this is the case, i'll shit my britches.

[Massimo]

Even better, if this were the case, would it stun AV's meteor if all his 2hrs are locked, and you /cheer or /hurray him?

if this is the case, i'll shit my britches.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/custo...tar46545_1.gif

I'm fucking quitting if this is the secret to AV.

Very sceptical towards it though <_< It doesn't make sense. You won't be able to force a 2 hour by doing an emotion on him, especially not if outsiders work, too. You may be able to make him "ready" instead of just instantly use them, which I guess is a help.

Still, it sounds like a coincidence, but I guess we're fairly desperate at this point, so it's worth further testing.

[tymora]

Anyone noticed the nerf on Modus Veritas?

Edit: Oops, am slow.

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Adjustments have been made to the following scholar job ability:

* Modus Veritas
After a helix spell is cast on a target, a predetermined period of time must elapse before Modus Veritas can be used effectively. Furthermore, certain Notorious Monsters will now demonstrate resistance to the effects of Modus Veritas.

[Kipling]

Anyone noticed the nerf on Modus Veritas?

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Adjustments have been made to the following scholar job ability:

* Modus Veritas
After a helix spell is cast on a target, a predetermined period of time must elapse before Modus Veritas can be used effectively. Furthermore, certain Notorious Monsters will now demonstrate resistance to the effects of Modus Veritas.

No, not until you just posted it. Thank you kind sir. Your contribution to the community is of extraordinary value.

[phrost]

Also a quick question regarding the person performing the /cheer and /hurray motions, does th JOB of the person performing the cheer, and the presence of torques & weapons have an effect? Worth noting during testing? Perhaps.

[Relit]

Is he still unbeatable?