Absolute Virtue Information (OP Updated)

[Virtuous Saint]

Meteor... no way your getting a mage to rush in while it is being cast., then run away. Your lucky to react fast enough to toss on a gear swap for the resists gear. Its not like it takes forever to cast meteor. Every meteor i have seen was cast very fast.

Gratned our group doesnt have much experience with AV below 80%.

Um Meteor is instantly casted, you can't change gear or react in any way at all. Lag or no lag.

[Virtuous Saint]

You would move in between casts, not wait for it to be cast. AV still casts on a timer, if the information is correct, no? So, it wouldn't be a large window, but something like 20 seconds per potential cast.

And mages having to full time dark resist gear might not be the end of the world... or they can simply time it a few seconds before he casts a spell.. etc... It just wouldn't be feasible to DD AV like that, obviously, unless you abused something like blu/thf.

Trust me I have thought of ridiculous shit lol. The simple fact is no player is good enough, well MAYBE 1-2 players, but the majority of players would be absolutely polar opposite of 'good enough for AV'. You can't have mages running in and out of range, once in bracelets mode if you don't have PLDs full HP at all times they can die to not only Meteor or a WS, but AerogaIV, ATK and MATK are increased greatly after bracelets are out, you can see this in the videos I posted in the OP, you can also see that there is no controlling it, and no ls has purely great players who are doing everything correct at all times.

To resist Meteor you need literally the best possible +dark build, and you absolutely HAVE to have Dark carol on at all times, and you cannot change gear ever or you risk instant death. I mean sure you could directly after a cast, but you can't tell players they can do that, god knows most players are shit, and down right stupid, they would never change back. Wearing full dark at all times isn't going to hurt mages much at all tho obviously. Problem is you will never see any LS do this, you will never see any LS attempt this, because their members wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't get it, no one would have it. Even if you did, ppl would still be dying, you would need 80-90% chance of 1/8 resist or you would get no where, and I'm not even sure if that number is attainable against AV, I doubt it is. I had +200 roughly when I tested and I got a few 1/4 and a 1/2 and several full damage. That was without dark carol tho. Also even if you get 1/8 resist you still take 250dmg roughly at least, if you get 1/4 resist which is probably what would happen most of the time, you would take 500roughly, in other words you still have to be fully buffed etc. All of this is just impractical and just sounds good, but wouldn't actually work due to player skill, lag etc.

[Yinnyth]

Somewhere in this enormous mess of posts is a link to a live-streamed video of Panda's LS successfully locking all 15 2hrs. I didn't watch it myself and it's obviously down now, but people say not only did it not weaken bracelets meteor, but he put on the bracelets at... I believe it was 61% instead of 59%. You can choose not to believe it and test it yourself if you wish, but I believe it's a dead end idea.

I don't think SE ever really intended for us to fully lock AV. In their video, they blindly spam 2hrs, and AV even uses a 2hr just before being defeated. I don't think they expected for us to become so efficient at locking 2hrs so therefore, I don't think locking more of them is going to weaken AV in some magical way. Furthermore, the videos were made before the time limit was added which makes it even HARDER to lock his 2hrs. So I recommend against attempting a full lock. Just lock what you can easily lock and focus specifically on his most dangerous abilities. Then you can get cracking at running one of the other billion untested ideas.

[TheMysteriousX]

I agree with people that this thread is becoming a bit unwieldy. Whilst the discussion generated is great, finding out what has been tried is a nightmare.

Maybe if would help testing if someone wrote up a list on bgwiki of what has been tried, and what is yet to be tried. An LS could then go, pick up an untested theory, go try it and report back.

Another possibility is that someone has fibbed about testing something, or it wasn't done properly, so retests should be done.

I have another crazy idea to add as well, but at this point I don't think anything can be called crazy any more.

The SE video doesn't have a lot of people in it. During JoL, barely enough for an alliance + 1 add party, during AV i counted 1 alliance plus a few swaps.

Has anyone tested to see if AV changes its behaviour depending on how many people are on the hate list? (i.e. 1 alliance only, no outside healers, the only way to leave the alliance is to die).

[thetruepandagod]

Has anyone tested to see if AV changes its behaviour depending on how many people are on the hate list? (i.e. 1 alliance only, no outside healers, the only way to leave the alliance is to die).

There have been a few recorded attempts from jp ls's attempting it with 9-14 people with no outside people, from what i could read in the chat log meteor still did the same.

[Cairthenn]

These random theories are so much fun! I want to predict that every time AV loses all aggro it gets stronger! Is my theory good too?

[Siniroth]

Yes! And everytime he aggros a new player he gets stronger too!

[Aquilo86]

I agree with people that this thread is becoming a bit unwieldy. Whilst the discussion generated is great, finding out what has been tried is a nightmare.

AV needs its own forum section

[Varaha]

99.8% of the crap on this thread comes from people making sarcastic comments about other peoples ideas. If you cut out the people who criticize other peoples ideas, but have never seriously fought AV or provided anything worthwhile themselves, this thread would probably be around 20 pages long.

[Cairthenn]

99.8% of the crap on this thread comes from people making sarcastic comments about other peoples ideas. If you cut out the people who criticize other peoples ideas, but have never seriously fought AV or provided anything worthwhile themselves, this thread would probably be around 20 pages long.

Your statistic is almost as accurate as the next useless theory.

[miokomioko]

That was a very poor attempt at...
http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/image...s/safeface.gif

I'm not sure what face you're implying I was trying to safe. I said ignore me if it what I was saying was known/pointless/etc after skimming over and seeing the stupid 2hr animations' colors being mislabeled. Then, I actually read the "theory" about the vague colors of the shitty animations actually being the basis of it and thought "lol." Misuse of the icon, -10 pts.

[Lemming]

Does anyone have a record of all the updates and ninja fixes that have affected AV (and how they affected it, if known) since its introduction to the game? I've been around the whole time, but I certainly wasn't keeping track.
Similarly, this is probably an easy one, but what changes have occurred since SE filmed their video?

[Bartlett]

No one will ever find it, SE will give no more hints, they made the secrets too hard to find, the mob is poorly designed and it will never be killed the right way because of that.

Yeah, too hard. Too hard to find.
I've been especially seeking how to force AV to "ready",
but after all my trials including today's, I couldn't find an answer.

The only one small fact I can say is ...
He tends to "ready" after wipe. Not everytime, but so many times in our videos.
If you simply want to see him "ready", just repeat zombing solo till he fires a 2hr.
He will "ready" it with a high probablility.
I still believe there's some kind of trigger for the "ready",
but after all, I have no idea what it is.
I've got sick of watching our videos over and over again.

Originally, My emote theory came from the fact.
Why does his first 2hr after wipe tend to be "readied" ?
After wipe, during weakened, what do people do ?
They usually don't do anything against AV. Only they do is chatting.
Some people jokingly start to emote AV.
That's the idea. But you know, the emote theory was already and surely dead.

The dv video refers to regen and 2h only, not to the Meteor.
What kind of hint video does not mention the biggest hugest problem ?
What are those DRG and SAM who melee and finish him as if he had no Meteor, huh ?
If locking all the 2hrs meant locking Meteor, it would turn out that the video did mention it.
But it doesn't seem so according to thetruepandagod.

Like Gtype said, yeah, the usual mob's spirals are fixed to the particular colors.
For instance, Hundred Fists is blue, Eagle Eye Shot is white, and so on.
But AV's are pretty special and exceptional.
AV's Hundredfist is "tan". As for AV's Eagle Eye Shot, "it doesn't even have dust cloud".

My head has come to a total deadlock. Maybe I need a rest. lol

[Fottiti]

Are those lyrics to a song?

[Cairthenn]

Did you read it or just glance over it? That's just how he types, no clue why but it doesn't make that much of a difference.

[Virtuous Saint]

Yeah, too hard. Too hard to find.
I've been especially seeking how to force AV to "ready",
but after all my trials including today's, I couldn't find an answer.

The only one small fact I can say is ...
He tends to "ready" after wipe. Not everytime, but so many times in our videos.
If you simply want to see him "ready", just repeat zombing solo till he fires a 2hr.
He will "ready" it with a high probablility.
I still believe there's some kind of trigger for the "ready",
but after all, I have no idea what it is.
I've got sick of watching our videos over and over again.

Originally, My emote theory came from the fact.
Why does his first 2hr after wipe tend to be "readied" ?
After wipe, during weakened, what do people do ?
They usually don't do anything against AV. Only they do is chatting.
Some people jokingly start to emote AV.
That's the idea. But you know, the emote theory was already and surely dead.

The dv video refers to regen and 2h only, not to the Meteor.
What kind of hint video does not mention the biggest hugest problem ?
What are those DRG and SAM who melee and finish him as if he had no Meteor, huh ?
If locking all the 2hrs meant locking Meteor, it would turn out that the video did mention it.
But it doesn't seem so according to thetruepandagod.

Like Gtype said, yeah, the usual mob's spirals are fixed to the particular colors.
For instance, Hundred Fists is blue, Eagle Eye Shot is white, and so on.
But AV's are pretty special and exceptional.
AV's Hundredfist is "tan". As for AV's Eagle Eye Shot, "it doesn't even have dust cloud".

My head has come to a total deadlock. Maybe I need a rest. lol

EES has a dust cloud, it is just much smaller radius and appears during its draw back and fire. You can see it easily if you watch for it.

[ByeByeTasai]

Yeah, too hard. Too hard to find.
I've been especially seeking how to force AV to "ready",
but after all my trials including today's, I couldn't find an answer.

The only one small fact I can say is ...
He tends to "ready" after wipe. Not everytime, but so many times in our videos.
If you simply want to see him "ready", just repeat zombing solo till he fires a 2hr.
He will "ready" it with a high probablility.
I still believe there's some kind of trigger for the "ready",
but after all, I have no idea what it is.
I've got sick of watching our videos over and over again.

Originally, My emote theory came from the fact.
Why does his first 2hr after wipe tend to be "readied" ?
After wipe, during weakened, what do people do ?
They usually don't do anything against AV. Only they do is chatting.
Some people jokingly start to emote AV.
That's the idea. But you know, the emote theory was already and surely dead.

The dv video refers to regen and 2h only, not to the Meteor.
What kind of hint video does not mention the biggest hugest problem ?
What are those DRG and SAM who melee and finish him as if he had no Meteor, huh ?
If locking all the 2hrs meant locking Meteor, it would turn out that the video did mention it.
But it doesn't seem so according to thetruepandagod.

Like Gtype said, yeah, the usual mob's spirals are fixed to the particular colors.
For instance, Hundred Fists is blue, Eagle Eye Shot is white, and so on.
But AV's are pretty special and exceptional.
AV's Hundredfist is "tan". As for AV's Eagle Eye Shot, "it doesn't even have dust cloud".

My head has come to a total deadlock. Maybe I need a rest. lol

I can see this being mumbled over some Thrash Metal.

[Nephlite]

I think a few pages back, Bartlett introduced himself as a JP player so the sentence breaks could be normal for him. Off topic but yeah carry on.

[Lemming]

I only ever see LS's fighting AV just outside his alcove and therefore not killing the aerns there. The videos provided by the OP are one example of this.

It seems like an obvious hint that SE is fighting inside his alcove and keeping the aerns cleared... If there wasn't some point to it they could have fought it outside easier.
Why aren't people doing this? Has it ever been fought in bracelets mode inside the alcove with aerns cleared?

[Sylvrdragon]

Your statistic is almost as accurate as the next useless theory.

78.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot.